THE WENGER THREAD

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Redarmy wrote:different reports gradually filtering out.........Arsene Wenger will extend his contract with Arsenal - Robert Pires

all part of the process


It's not gonna happen - the man is done 8)

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hartygooner wrote:This needs to go in here. The no money line is a myth. I don't know why the focus is slowly shifting towards the owner again on here when the biggest issue affecting the performance, or lack of, on the pitch is the prick with the zip.
https://m.dreamteamfc.com/c/premier-lea ... -20-years/

#wengerout #nonewcontract.

Hate the bloke.
Perhaps because the owner employs Zippy when he should have been told to go several years ago?, in fact he might as well hire Bungle as AM and George as head coach as well.

The man at the top is to blame - correct!

The man at the top is not Wenger. Wenger out is a given.

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The man at he top ain't going anywhere. Everyone is shit scared to give up their season tickets for fear of the tourists taking them up. The only way to hurt sk is to have a max exodus of season ticket holders and it will never happen. We cant affect the billionaire owner but we can affect the manager. Get that fucker out and see the on pitch improvement.

Everyone needs to focus on Wenger first then the owner.

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Just saw this on Twitter...WARNING Do NOT Read If You Are Close To Heart Failure etc

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/arsenal ... -transfers

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hartygooner wrote:The man at he top ain't going anywhere. Everyone is shit scared to give up their season tickets for fear of the tourists taking them up. The only way to hurt sk is to have a max exodus of season ticket holders and it will never happen. We cant affect the billionaire owner but we can affect the manager. Get that fucker out and see the on pitch improvement.

Everyone needs to focus on Wenger first then the owner.
This assumption is predicated on replacing him with someone better or different, neither of which is a given unfortunately, as I said earlier Kroenke is in the habit of employing a specific type for his sports franchises.

We will see once Wenger is gone what he is replaced with, until then i will reserve judgement but personally feel quite a few are being short sighted if they automatically presume things will improve post Wenger.

I reckon we'll have at least a season or two of 'Wengerlite' management before things come to a head and real change is forced. :rubchin:

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OneBardGooner wrote:Just saw this on Twitter...WARNING Do NOT Read If You Are Close To Heart Failure etc

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/arsenal ... -transfers
Huh it doesn't really tell us anything we don't already know.

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GoonerMuzz wrote:
hartygooner wrote:The man at he top ain't going anywhere. Everyone is shit scared to give up their season tickets for fear of the tourists taking them up. The only way to hurt sk is to have a max exodus of season ticket holders and it will never happen. We cant affect the billionaire owner but we can affect the manager. Get that fucker out and see the on pitch improvement.

Everyone needs to focus on Wenger first then the owner.
This assumption is predicated on replacing him with someone better or different, neither of which is a given unfortunately, as I said earlier Kroenke is in the habit of employing a specific type for his sports franchises.

We will see once Wenger is gone what he is replaced with, until then i will reserve judgement but personally feel quite a few are being short sighted if they automatically presume things will improve post Wenger.

I reckon we'll have at least a season or two of 'Wengerlite' management before things come to a head and real change is forced. :rubchin:
Actually a lot of people recognise the challenges ahead when the dinosaur is gone. Every major club that has parted ways with a long serving manager has undergone a turbulent transition and we are not going to be any different. We might fail and we will do it in a different way. The new manager's remit is simple really - Try your best and don't get fucking humiliated. It can't be too much to ask for, the bar is already low as it is. This club is by far the most challenging sporting establishment wiggy has ever taken on and he wouldn't want to get it wrong when his human shield is gone because his investment would come under threat. No club is too big to fail.
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augie wrote:
Redarmy wrote:different reports gradually filtering out.........Arsene Wenger will extend his contract with Arsenal - Robert Pires

all part of the process


It's not gonna happen - the man is done 8)


If only that were true.....

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General wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:Just saw this on Twitter...WARNING Do NOT Read If You Are Close To Heart Failure etc

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/arsenal ... -transfers
Huh it doesn't really tell us anything we don't already know.
True, BUT when seen all in a single reading it really does hit home - Especially when you see many names that we never even got to hear of. :roll:

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General wrote:
GoonerMuzz wrote:
hartygooner wrote:The man at he top ain't going anywhere. Everyone is shit scared to give up their season tickets for fear of the tourists taking them up. The only way to hurt sk is to have a max exodus of season ticket holders and it will never happen. We cant affect the billionaire owner but we can affect the manager. Get that fucker out and see the on pitch improvement.

Everyone needs to focus on Wenger first then the owner.
This assumption is predicated on replacing him with someone better or different, neither of which is a given unfortunately, as I said earlier Kroenke is in the habit of employing a specific type for his sports franchises.

We will see once Wenger is gone what he is replaced with, until then i will reserve judgement but personally feel quite a few are being short sighted if they automatically presume things will improve post Wenger.

I reckon we'll have at least a season or two of 'Wengerlite' management before things come to a head and real change is forced. :rubchin:
Actually a lot of people recognise the challenges ahead when the dinosaur is gone. Every major club that has parted ways with a long serving manager has undergone a turbulent transition and we are not going to be any different. We might fail and we will do it in a different way. The new manager's remit is simple really - Try your best and don't get fucking humiliated. It can't be too much to ask for, the bar is already low as it is. This club is by far the most challenging sporting establishment wiggy has ever taken on and he wouldn't want to get it wrong when his human shield is gone because his investment would come under threat. No club is too big to fail.
Yes mate. Ive always said it'll take the new manager ages/years to rid the club of the apathetic, disgraceful acceptance of failure. That top 4 is success. To end the comfort-zone culture that infests the place. All of Wengers failed practices have to be flushed away. That takes time.

Strange to see supposed WOBs using the exact same argument that AKBs use to keep Wenger in place - that a better or equal replacement will be difficult to find therefore we must be "careful what we wish for"

My slogan was always "Time For Change". Thats a change of manager but also a change of direction, outlook. A change of mentality from a losing to a winning mentality.

Ive not suggested that...
"automatically presume things will improve post Wenger."
Things should definitely "change" on the pitch with regards to tactics, subs, in'game management, attitude, motivation. Hopefully coaching, fitness, medical will change gradually too.
We're realistic enough to know that it could get worse before it gets better.

And I still fail to see how two cups in 12yrs is gonna be so difficult to equal or better? A club of Arsenals resources and wealth?
We could have changed manager 3 times in that period and done just a well or even better fs.

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armchair wrote:
And I still fail to see how two cups in 12yrs is gonna be so difficult to equal or better? A club of Arsenals resources and wealth?
We could have changed manager 3 times in that period and done just a well or even better fs.
Much, much better.
New Boss, new players, new ideas...would have worked.

I wonder how many trophies ManU are going to win in the 10 years after Ferguson?

Well, it's 2 already, and a decent chance of a european cup as well this season.
Be careful what you wish for...

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Redarmy wrote:
augie wrote:
Redarmy wrote:different reports gradually filtering out.........Arsene Wenger will extend his contract with Arsenal - Robert Pires

all part of the process


It's not gonna happen - the man is done 8)




If only that were true.....



It is gonna be true :barscarf: :barscarf:

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Rumours in the papers today that Chelsea and City are watching Sanchez, whilst Man United watching Ozil and Chamberlain. All the while this club is on pause as Wenger is dithering and trying to find the right time to announce he wants to stay (likely next time we win a game). So AS, MO and AOC contracts are being neglected because they cannot be negotiated as they still dont know whats happening with the manager. All the while our ambitious rivals circle our best players, trying to take advantage of the rank incompetence displayed at the club.

This is not a 'well run club'. And quite frankly, there are so many other cliches that need to be put to rest. Others include we 'play good football', as we dont play good football at all. 'Wenger works on a budget', no he doesnt, he has spend hundreds of millions of pounds and has the luxury of 100k a week strikers on the bench (Giroud).

'well run club', 'play good football', 'operating on a budget' - these are things the naysayers tell themselves to assure themselves everything is ok. How many other sets of fans boast about being a 'well run club'. What does it even mean anyways? Its such an ambiguous an abstract term without any definitive meaning. Are Chelsea or Barcelona not 'well run clubs'?

Ill tell you what we are though, we are not a serious club, as we credit ourselves for being a 'well run club' - what other set of fans take pride in such a statement?

Im so over not just the results, but also those who seek to substitute results and trophies by finding 'success' in these empty cliche's

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Sanchez with a goal and 2 assists to night for Chile,meanwhile the Star reporting wenger will announce his decision to stay or go after the city game at the weekend.

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armchair wrote:
General wrote:
GoonerMuzz wrote:
hartygooner wrote:The man at he top ain't going anywhere. Everyone is shit scared to give up their season tickets for fear of the tourists taking them up. The only way to hurt sk is to have a max exodus of season ticket holders and it will never happen. We cant affect the billionaire owner but we can affect the manager. Get that fucker out and see the on pitch improvement.

Everyone needs to focus on Wenger first then the owner.
This assumption is predicated on replacing him with someone better or different, neither of which is a given unfortunately, as I said earlier Kroenke is in the habit of employing a specific type for his sports franchises.

We will see once Wenger is gone what he is replaced with, until then i will reserve judgement but personally feel quite a few are being short sighted if they automatically presume things will improve post Wenger.

I reckon we'll have at least a season or two of 'Wengerlite' management before things come to a head and real change is forced. :rubchin:
Actually a lot of people recognise the challenges ahead when the dinosaur is gone. Every major club that has parted ways with a long serving manager has undergone a turbulent transition and we are not going to be any different. We might fail and we will do it in a different way. The new manager's remit is simple really - Try your best and don't get fucking humiliated. It can't be too much to ask for, the bar is already low as it is. This club is by far the most challenging sporting establishment wiggy has ever taken on and he wouldn't want to get it wrong when his human shield is gone because his investment would come under threat. No club is too big to fail.
Yes mate. Ive always said it'll take the new manager ages/years to rid the club of the apathetic, disgraceful acceptance of failure. That top 4 is success. To end the comfort-zone culture that infests the place. All of Wengers failed practices have to be flushed away. That takes time.

Strange to see supposed WOBs using the exact same argument that AKBs use to keep Wenger in place - that a better or equal replacement will be difficult to find therefore we must be "careful what we wish for"

My slogan was always "Time For Change". Thats a change of manager but also a change of direction, outlook. A change of mentality from a losing to a winning mentality.

Ive not suggested that...
"automatically presume things will improve post Wenger."
Things should definitely "change" on the pitch with regards to tactics, subs, in'game management, attitude, motivation. Hopefully coaching, fitness, medical will change gradually too.
We're realistic enough to know that it could get worse before it gets better.

And I still fail to see how two cups in 12yrs is gonna be so difficult to equal or better? A club of Arsenals resources and wealth?
We could have changed manager 3 times in that period and done just a well or even better fs.
Couldn't agree more Armchair - Anyone with the slightest grasp on reality would understand that once wenger is gone is when the battle to reclaim, rebuild the the way things felt and were at Arsenal truly begins. It will take quite some time and some victories & trophies under a new manager to even begin to heal the wounds between the fans, and even that is not assured.

Everything wenger achieved in his first decade has been undone to the point where he has now made things worse, that coupled with an owner with Profit as his first aim and concern, we have a long road ahead of us, these protests really are just the beginning. I get the sense that some people - even some of those protesting may think once we've got rid of Wenger we can sit back and enjoy it, it will be a Victory Indeed, but it will be one of the many needed changes, after him there are other 'fish to fry' - So one step/ target at a time. :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:


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