THE WENGER THREAD

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

I think Ancelotti would only be a short term solution however he'd definitely iron out some of the problems created by clueless. Allegri as you say is more of a modern thinker and would be inclined to stay around longer imo.

Either would be a vast improvement on what's there now. As would DB10's Granny.

We need a short-term solution. Obviously I’d rather somebody to do a great job for 10 years than 2 years, but we need somebody to come in and clear out the deadwood staff and players and to rid the club of this cosy spineless loser mentality. Somebody like Ancelotti (who will have absolutely zero inclination to embark on any vanity projects) coming in for 2-3 years is exactly what we need.

I know I sound like a broken record but this is why we need to ramp up the Wenger Out protests again, sooner rather than later.

The longer Monsieur Useless stays - the harder it is going to be for anyone to undo the utter mess that he'll leave behind. Even Ferguson in his prime would struggle to unpick this absolute clusterfuck.

[GoonerMuzz]

The french pri*k spent almost £100m in 2016 summer transfer window and look at where we are since - dont blame a lack of funds for the utter incompetence of a senile outdated c.unt manager

Where did I say I was defending Wenger?, just don't expect much from what comes next because the people surrounding Wenger (namely the one with a wig) are just as bad as the incompetent French fraud. That £100M was money generated by the club and only really half made up for the previous summer when we only bought Cech.

I dont dispute that half of the £100m was raised through players sales, but my point was that regardless of where the cash comes from, wenker has not got a scooby doo when it comes to using it wisely A leech as an owner or a lack of funds are not the reasons why wenker is failing .... he is failing cos he is outdated, incompetent, arrogant and tactically stupid, and even man citeeh's money wouldnt change that, and that is why it grates on me when people bring the slimy wiggy c.unt into a discussion

I think you two are at a bit of crossed purposes here, you're both right, Wenger needs to go due to the artificial constraints he's created by himself, for himself at our club aided and abetted by our absent owner and incompetent CEO but don't expect everything to suddenly be peachy when he goes either. Wiggy has a track record with his other sports franchises of doing the bare minimum required and i don't expect any different when he replaces OGL and anyone who does is deluding themself.

To put it another way Wenger is incompetent and assuredly has to go but that doesn't mean that suddenly Kroenke is going to give his replacement everything he asks for or even that he'll appoint the sort of Manager we desperately need.

Any new Manager will assuredly be expected to get by with the same resources Wenger has and lets be honest £100M in the market these days is fcuk all, it's not one or two players we have who aren't good enough but probably nearer 10 and bare in mind we're likely loosing Sanchez, Ozil and maybe even Jack, that is probably in the region of £250M + Sales at least to replace them all if not more.

Can any of you honestly see Wiggy dipping into his pocket for a cool quarter Billion for his soccer team on the say so of a new and untested manager from his point of view....... I can't personally, he is not a risk taker

[General]

I think Ancelotti would only be a short term solution however he'd definitely iron out some of the problems created by clueless. Allegri as you say is more of a modern thinker and would be inclined to stay around longer imo.

Either would be a vast improvement on what's there now. As would DB10's Granny.

We need a short-term solution. Obviously I’d rather somebody to do a great job for 10 years than 2 years, but we need somebody to come in and clear out the deadwood staff and players and to rid the club of this cosy spineless loser mentality. Somebody like Ancelotti (who will have absolutely zero inclination to embark on any vanity projects) coming in for 2-3 years is exactly what we need.

All these links to Ancelloti reminds me of the Tuchel rumours last season. The French coont is going to stink the place for another year by which time our chances of attracting a decent manager would've been severely dented again. We are going to be in an even bigger mess than we are now. Gazidis' key recruit Raul Sanlehi doesn't even join the club till February.

[GoonerMuzz]

As had been said by others i am genuinely concerned over exactly how bad things will be when he finally shuffles off and if i'm honest i don't give his replacement much hope of longevity because of the expectation on him i'm not sure a large amount of fans will give him the time required to get us on an even keel never mind turn things round, we could be two or three managers down the line before we start to recover things are so bad and by the summer i expect them to be a lot worse

[Bob Bayliss]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

[DB10GOONER]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

This ^^^ 100% bang on the money.

Unfortunately.

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

This ^^^ 100% bang on the money.

Unfortunately.

Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing.

You saw the amount of publicity that the protests achieved last season. You saw how uncomfortable and annoyed Wenger was whenever he was asked about it. You've seen that since then, Wenger is routinely criticised in public where he wasn't before. And that was achieved with just 2 planes, a light and banner show around London, 4 of us at London Colney and 4 protest marches, the biggest of which was 1,000 angry Gooners.

I and others opened ourselves up to ridicule and criticism by attempting those protests but it was a price well worth paying. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next day, if it helps to shift the useless, arrogant Specialist in Failure. FFS - the marches were more fun than 99% of our matches since 2006.

This inaction is what is keeping Wenger in his job. In the modern world, with instant news 24 hours a day and social media, big enough protests could not be ignored. Bad publicity has brought down so many arrogant men who thought they were untouchable.

If we do achieve protest marches of 5,000 Gooners and Wenger sails serenely on - I'll accept I was wrong. But until then I'm going to keep saying - don't be defeatist. Let's try. We're football fans; making lots of noise is what we do. Let's use our collective power and see if we can shift him.

Surely it's got to be worth a try?

[DB10GOONER]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

This ^^^ 100% bang on the money.

Unfortunately.

Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing.

You saw the amount of publicity that the protests achieved last season. You saw how uncomfortable and annoyed Wenger was whenever he was asked about it. You've seen that since then, Wenger is routinely criticised in public where he wasn't before. And that was achieved with just 2 planes, a light and banner show around London, 4 of us at London Colney and 4 protest marches, the biggest of which was 1,000 angry Gooners.

I and others opened ourselves up to ridicule and criticism by attempting those protests but it was a price well worth paying. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next day, if it helps to shift the useless, arrogant Specialist in Failure. FFS - the marches were more fun than 99% of our matches since 2006.

This inaction is what is keeping Wenger in his job. In the modern world, with instant news 24 hours a day and social media, big enough protests could not be ignored. Bad publicity has brought down so many arrogant men who thought they were untouchable.

If we do achieve protest marches of 5,000 Gooners and Wenger sails serenely on - I'll accept I was wrong. But until then I'm going to keep saying - don't be defeatist. Let's try. We're football fans; making lots of noise is what we do. Let's use our collective power and see if we can shift him.

Surely it's got to be worth a try?

Sorry, I'm never going to agree with you on that. The ONLY thing keeping Wenger in his job is his boss, the owner, Wiggy Kroenke. The owner - the ONLY person with the power to sack Wenger - gives less than zero fucks about what fans think or want, cares even less about the media perception of him (this is a man that evicted people from their homes leading to one of those people committing suicide and the resultant public bad press affected him not in the slightest) and will never care about those things.

Wenger? He looked "uncomfortable and annoyed"? Again, sorry, but if you think annoying him and making him look uncomfortable is going to get him sacked or make him suddenly resign then I'm afraid you are very very wrong. Getting pissed off at people doesn't equate to thinking "time for me to go then". He is far more likely to dig his heels in as a reaction to bad press or fan protests than he is to resign.

Also, tbh I think most people would take offense to the comment "Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing". No one on here is obliged to make excuses to you or anyone else, mate. Many people have made a far bigger sacrifice than giving up some time and money to protest by bycotting the club entirely, bycotting something that has been a huge part of their life for decades in some cases. I'm not trying to denigrate or belittle the protest there either. But choosing how to actually object or respond to the malaise at our club is their right. And many feel the right thing to do is stop giving the regime money.

This was a problem a couple of seasons ago when one of the protesters in particular just alienated prospective recruits to the marches by insulting them and adopting a "holier than thou" attitude. Not everyone agrees that the protest is the way to go. You guys have to accept that and stop alienating fellow Gooners just because you are frustrated. You are not helping your own cause.

I agree the protests are worth a try (anything is at this stage) but I don't agree they will work and I'll never agree that insulting and patronising possible recruits will be of any benefit to the protests.

I don't want to get into a bitching session with you, mate - as I do admire the effort some of you put in to the protests and fly-overs etc - but this has been festering on here for months now and I just think someone had to say it.

[xisstential]

How do you "alienate" people who take a completely different stance to you?? Surely you are already at odds....anyway I'm not getting into it...people want to protest or they don't. I don't care if they do or don't...... Nothing is going to sway people one way or the other.

And for the record a few people were seriously threatened with bodily harm..not so much at the protests but on SM....

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Looks like we'll have to agree that we disagree on this one.

All I'm really saying is - nobody can say with 100% certainty that it won't work until it has been tried. My frustration comes from seeing people seriously unhappy about something but feeling that they have no power to change it. I believe that we do have the power to change it.

[Nos89]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

This ^^^ 100% bang on the money.

Unfortunately.

Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing.

You saw the amount of publicity that the protests achieved last season. You saw how uncomfortable and annoyed Wenger was whenever he was asked about it. You've seen that since then, Wenger is routinely criticised in public where he wasn't before. And that was achieved with just 2 planes, a light and banner show around London, 4 of us at London Colney and 4 protest marches, the biggest of which was 1,000 angry Gooners.

I and others opened ourselves up to ridicule and criticism by attempting those protests but it was a price well worth paying. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next day, if it helps to shift the useless, arrogant Specialist in Failure. FFS - the marches were more fun than 99% of our matches since 2006.

This inaction is what is keeping Wenger in his job. In the modern world, with instant news 24 hours a day and social media, big enough protests could not be ignored. Bad publicity has brought down so many arrogant men who thought they were untouchable.

If we do achieve protest marches of 5,000 Gooners and Wenger sails serenely on - I'll accept I was wrong. But until then I'm going to keep saying - don't be defeatist. Let's try. We're football fans; making lots of noise is what we do. Let's use our collective power and see if we can shift him.

Surely it's got to be worth a try?

Sorry, I'm never going to agree with you on that. The ONLY thing keeping Wenger in his job is his boss, the owner, Wiggy Kroenke. The owner - the ONLY person with the power to sack Wenger - gives less than zero fucks about what fans think or want, cares even less about the media perception of him (this is a man that evicted people from their homes leading to one of those people committing suicide and the resultant public bad press affected him not in the slightest) and will never care about those things.

Wenger? He looked "uncomfortable and annoyed"? Again, sorry, but if you think annoying him and making him look uncomfortable is going to get him sacked or make him suddenly resign then I'm afraid you are very very wrong. Getting pissed off at people doesn't equate to thinking "time for me to go then". He is far more likely to dig his heels in as a reaction to bad press or fan protests than he is to resign.

Also, tbh I think most people would take offense to the comment "Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing". No one on here is obliged to make excuses to you or anyone else, mate. Many people have made a far bigger sacrifice than giving up some time and money to protest by bycotting the club entirely, bycotting something that has been a huge part of their life for decades in some cases. I'm not trying to denigrate or belittle the protest there either. But choosing how to actually object or respond to the malaise at our club is their right. And many feel the right thing to do is stop giving the regime money.

This was a problem a couple of seasons ago when one of the protesters in particular just alienated prospective recruits to the marches by insulting them and adopting a "holier than thou" attitude. Not everyone agrees that the protest is the way to go. You guys have to accept that and stop alienating fellow Gooners just because you are frustrated. You are not helping your own cause.

I agree the protests are worth a try (anything is at this stage) but I don't agree they will work and I'll never agree that insulting and patronising possible recruits will be of any benefit to the protests.

I don't want to get into a bitching session with you, mate - as I do admire the effort some of you put in to the protests and fly-overs etc - but this has been festering on here for months now and I just think someone had to say it.

DB10 I agree with you on that. I've been saying that for a while on here. Even protesting by masses not turning up won't change it as the TV money covers it. If 10000 season ticket holders took the hit and all stayed away for 1 game, and not make their tickets available for exchange it may have an impact.
If the Ancellotti rumours are true then it seems the club have decided on changing things. I guess if we make the league cup final they'll hang fire on moving Wenger, if we don't they may well move on it during this window and give Ancellotti a week to get a couple of his players in. That would be ideal.

[DB10GOONER]

How do you "alienate" people who take a completely different stance to you?? Surely you are already at odds....anyway I'm not getting into it...people want to protest or they don't. I don't care if they do or don't...... Nothing is going to sway people one way or the other.

And for the record a few people were seriously threatened with bodily harm..not so much at the protests but on SM....

Possibly true. But I think if you encourage people you might get some of the fencesitters (and there could be a lot of them) to fully commit and join in, but insulting people will only drive them away. I am aware that some of you were verbally abused and that there were threats and as I said I do admire what you and a few others did, the amount of work, the amount of time etc that you all put into it and I'd hope none of you are offended by my diatribe above.

[ten20]

If we've learned anything from the last 5 years it is that whether or not the Arsenal fans are behind our manager is irrelevant to whether he stays or goes.

This ^^^ 100% bang on the money.

Unfortunately.

Sorry lads but that is just an excuse to do nothing.

You saw the amount of publicity that the protests achieved last season. You saw how uncomfortable and annoyed Wenger was whenever he was asked about it. You've seen that since then, Wenger is routinely criticised in public where he wasn't before. And that was achieved with just 2 planes, a light and banner show around London, 4 of us at London Colney and 4 protest marches, the biggest of which was 1,000 angry Gooners.

I and others opened ourselves up to ridicule and criticism by attempting those protests but it was a price well worth paying. I'll do it again tomorrow and the next day, if it helps to shift the useless, arrogant Specialist in Failure. FFS - the marches were more fun than 99% of our matches since 2006.

This inaction is what is keeping Wenger in his job. In the modern world, with instant news 24 hours a day and social media, big enough protests could not be ignored. Bad publicity has brought down so many arrogant men who thought they were untouchable.

If we do achieve protest marches of 5,000 Gooners and Wenger sails serenely on - I'll accept I was wrong. But until then I'm going to keep saying - don't be defeatist. Let's try. We're football fans; making lots of noise is what we do. Let's use our collective power and see if we can shift him.

Surely it's got to be worth a try?

Agree 100%

Do a march next Saturday before the Palace home game

Start getting word out on twitter, facebook etc straight away and I think decent numbers would turn out. Especially with all these Ancelotti rumours it will get some fence sitters out to give the fraud the final nudge out the door

Also if a few big accounts pick it up and share it will spread fast

[supergeorgegraham]

I don't think you have to do any protests. Things are getting ugly both on the pitch and off. I don't think the contracts of Ozil and Sanchez will please Stan much as the club are losing money.
Overall Wenger reign will end naturally and very very badly. Think we will have to wait a few years before it can be sorted.

[OneBardGooner]

"In Order For Evil To Prevail All That Has To Happen Is For Gooners To Stand By And Do Nothing"