THE WENGER THREAD

[Midz]

http://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/t ... e-13488526

“The first thing I would change is the coach,” Dangote told Bloomberg. “He has done a good job, but someone else should also try his luck.”

Hurry up with that refinery!

[xisstential]

Everyone can see he is past it and has been for years, they know this season will be the same as the last 8-10, yet most don't want to admit it and the media continue to brown-nose him.

Everyone including Kroenke, the most worrying thing is he simply doesn't care, I don't believe for one minute he really thinks Wenger can win the title etc. he just thinks Wenger can keep us in the top 6 and might get 4th (aka staying slightly relevant), maybe another domestic cup, this is his 'ambition' for the club.

That's why I say a great big f*ck you to buying any more tickets or anything else from the club until the cash cowboy buggers off, simply don't see any reason why anyone else would choose to but each to their own..

And this is why Wiggy is actually now a bigger problem than even Wenger. He as the owner has the power, he sets the ambition of the club, he sets the tone, he sets the minimum acceptable return from the manager. And the ambition, tone and minimal acceptable return he has set for Arsenal is the same as all his other sports franchises; profitable mediocrity. And Wenger delivers exactly what Kroenke wants. Until the profits stop, Kroenke will be here, and whilst Kroenke is here then fucking shit for brains Wenger will be here.

And it is not the low expectation set before him that has allowed his standards to slip. This is his standard. This is why he loves it so much at Arsenal. If Barca, Real, Madrid or any one of those clubs came in for him at double his current wage he still wouldn't leave.... not because he "loves AFC so much" but because he is incapable of delivering what an ambitious club will demand. And if an ambitious trophy hungry owner arrived at the Emirates, Wenger would be out at the end of this season, if not before. You think deep down he doesn't know that?

Could anyone imagine a worse partnership to run our club? ANY club.

[General]

Very few people talk openly about what goes on inside and theres nothing new in what they are saying because we already know it but whilst it's good to get affirmation from Henry and Smith this won't affect anything.
Far from reflecting and doing anything to rectify the problems Arsene will consider this an unwarranted attack on himself and he will be even more determined not to change for he truly believes that he is the messiah who will lead us to the promised land .
Henry is now the enemy !

You are right in saying that there was nothing new in there but whilst we may all have our suspicions and draw various inferences from the evidence we see on the pitch, I think it is good to have corroboration from ex players. Henry's comment on how Wenger doesn't like to delegate is bound to sting Wenger and it might give him food for thought. He is certainly persona non grata as far as the club is concerned. Also, don't forget last season is seen as success in the eyes of the fraud and Kroenke and they blame fans for unsettling the team. 75points is apparently a record for 5th place, nothing about the 18points we finished behind the champions. Of course season finished off in style with record cup win against league winners. Kroenke will ride the dinosaur to extinction and that's the sad reality.

[Herd]

The thing is we aren't anywhere near extinction as a PLC ,we are making lots of money and that is the definition of success in any business .
What is extinct and has been for some years is the very notion that we are a Football Club which we clearly are not .
We are a sporting franchise with strong brand identity which derives revenues from diverse sources .
The PLC has realised the CORE source of income ie the Customers need to be placated and massaged into thinking they are buying into a lifestyle club to Maintain revenue streams and even expand them.
The PLC discovered that the recent expansion of foreign based fans who attend matches has meant that the gradual dwindling of home grown Support and income has been more than compensated for as these fans not only buy tickets they spend more money in the retail outlets.
Also the PLC discovered that on the field success isn't necessary to maintain profits so the club need only spend enough to give the illusion that we are trying to win the league .

[General]

Extinction comment refers to Wenger. He'll be managing this club for many years to come under the status quo.

[sk-gtfo]

The Nigerian should talk to the Uzbek, with both of their wealth and ambition on board we would be able to compete with PSG, City, United, Barca, RM etc.

Kroenke is a stubborn c**t though and whilst most gooners are so passive and carry on buying tickets and sitting quietly in the Emirates he won't have much inclination to sell unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

We'll be a 4th-6th club until he goes and takes Wenger with him.

Sleeping giant.... Zzzzz

[Redarmy]

Very few people talk openly about what goes on inside and theres nothing new in what they are saying because we already know it but whilst it's good to get affirmation from Henry and Smith this won't affect anything.
Far from reflecting and doing anything to rectify the problems Arsene will consider this an unwarranted attack on himself and he will be even more determined not to change for he truly believes that he is the messiah who will lead us to the promised land .
Henry is now the enemy !

You are right in saying that there was nothing new in there but whilst we may all have our suspicions and draw various inferences from the evidence we see on the pitch, I think it is good to have corroboration from ex players. Henry's comment on how Wenger doesn't like to delegate is bound to sting Wenger and it might give him food for thought. He is certainly persona non grata as far as the club is concerned. Also, don't forget last season is seen as success in the eyes of the fraud and Kroenke and they blame fans for unsettling the team. 75points is apparently a record for 5th place, nothing about the 18points we finished behind the champions. Of course season finished off in style with record cup win against league winners. Kroenke will ride the dinosaur to extinction and that's the sad reality.

Think Henry is being incredibly polite with the does not like to delegate quote

to put it another way has to be involved in everything that moves or happens at the Emirates total control freak who does nothing correctly

[DB10GOONER]

Everyone can see he is past it and has been for years, they know this season will be the same as the last 8-10, yet most don't want to admit it and the media continue to brown-nose him.

Everyone including Kroenke, the most worrying thing is he simply doesn't care, I don't believe for one minute he really thinks Wenger can win the title etc. he just thinks Wenger can keep us in the top 6 and might get 4th (aka staying slightly relevant), maybe another domestic cup, this is his 'ambition' for the club.

That's why I say a great big f*ck you to buying any more tickets or anything else from the club until the cash cowboy buggers off, simply don't see any reason why anyone else would choose to but each to their own..

And this is why Wiggy is actually now a bigger problem than even Wenger. He as the owner has the power, he sets the ambition of the club, he sets the tone, he sets the minimum acceptable return from the manager. And the ambition, tone and minimal acceptable return he has set for Arsenal is the same as all his other sports franchises; profitable mediocrity. And Wenger delivers exactly what Kroenke wants. Until the profits stop, Kroenke will be here, and whilst Kroenke is here then fucking shit for brains Wenger will be here.

And it is not the low expectation set before him that has allowed his standards to slip. This is his standard. This is why he loves it so much at Arsenal. If Barca, Real, Madrid or any one of those clubs came in for him at double his current wage he still wouldn't leave.... not because he "loves AFC so much" but because he is incapable of delivering what an ambitious club will demand. And if an ambitious trophy hungry owner arrived at the Emirates, Wenger would be out at the end of this season, if not before. You think deep down he doesn't know that?

Could anyone imagine a worse partnership to run our club? ANY club.

Of course he knows it. He has landed the Golden Job. £9 million (or whatever lunatic amount it is) a year, answer to nobody, rule every aspect of the club as you see fit, and there are no repurcussions if you fail at what should be the prime (and ONLY) requirement of the job; success on the football field.

He simply would not cut it at any other top club as his ideas about football are dated now and the game has moved on in every aspect snce he last won the PL - tactics, strategy, training, coaching, finances, fitness, youth development - you name it. Any new ambitious (in the footballing sense) owner would look at his failures since 2006 and simply sack him immediately.

[robbo10]

Everyone can see he is past it and has been for years, they know this season will be the same as the last 8-10, yet most don't want to admit it and the media continue to brown-nose him.

Everyone including Kroenke, the most worrying thing is he simply doesn't care, I don't believe for one minute he really thinks Wenger can win the title etc. he just thinks Wenger can keep us in the top 6 and might get 4th (aka staying slightly relevant), maybe another domestic cup, this is his 'ambition' for the club.

That's why I say a great big f*ck you to buying any more tickets or anything else from the club until the cash cowboy buggers off, simply don't see any reason why anyone else would choose to but each to their own..

And this is why Wiggy is actually now a bigger problem than even Wenger. He as the owner has the power, he sets the ambition of the club, he sets the tone, he sets the minimum acceptable return from the manager. And the ambition, tone and minimal acceptable return he has set for Arsenal is the same as all his other sports franchises; profitable mediocrity. And Wenger delivers exactly what Kroenke wants. Until the profits stop, Kroenke will be here, and whilst Kroenke is here then fucking shit for brains Wenger will be here.

And all the while they both "accept" this is what they want out of the club fuck all will change,they are both in the safe zone,profit for Stan and job security for Arsene,Arsenal are like a mogul's Monopoly game

It's crazy really isn't it? At what other so-called "big" club (Manure, Mousers) or currently successful no-history pimped small club (chav$, citeh) would a manager be allowed to go 13 (THIRTEEN) seasons without winning the PL? And before anyone offers the frankly fucking stupid defence of "but Kroenke wasn't owner for all that time", Kroenke has had total control for 6 of those seasons and was on the Board for 9 of them.

When a manager has under-performed as much as Wenger has over the last 13 years,at ANY club,he'd have been gone,at any level of football he SHOULD have been gone,whether Kroenke has been on the board 1,5,or 13 years Arsene Wenger should not be Arsenal manager,he cannot and will not change,and the decision for him to go being "his" decision is a fucking joke,but this is Arsenal so why would we be surprised,City or Chelsea wouldn't tolerate 13 months of their sides not looking like they were going to compete,whether they were making money or not,the club and the Wenger cultist's are a fucking disgrace.

[NickF]

The Nigerian should talk to the Uzbek, with both of their wealth and ambition on board we would be able to compete with PSG, City, United, Barca, RM etc.

Kroenke is a stubborn c**t though and whilst most gooners are so passive and carry on buying tickets and sitting quietly in the Emirates he won't have much inclination to sell unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

We'll be a 4th-6th club until he goes and takes Wenger with him.

Sleeping giant.... Zzzzz

Kroenke is a billionaire married to an even richer billionairess, even if the stadium was empty he doesn't need to sell as he doesn't need the money. The only way he will sell is he gets that ridiculous offer and to be honest your man Usmanov doesn't seem very inclined to up his 1.3bn offer from last May.

[Redarmy]

The Nigerian should talk to the Uzbek, with both of their wealth and ambition on board we would be able to compete with PSG, City, United, Barca, RM etc.

Kroenke is a stubborn c**t though and whilst most gooners are so passive and carry on buying tickets and sitting quietly in the Emirates he won't have much inclination to sell unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

We'll be a 4th-6th club until he goes and takes Wenger with him.

Sleeping giant.... Zzzzz

Kroenke is a billionaire married to an even richer billionairess, even if the stadium was empty he doesn't need to sell as he doesn't need the money. The only way he will sell is he gets that ridiculous offer and to be honest your man Usmanov doesn't seem very inclined to up his 1.3bn offer from last May.

Knowing that fucker Kronke he will hang on despite a ridiculous offer just to spite all us fans.......

[sk-gtfo]

The Nigerian should talk to the Uzbek, with both of their wealth and ambition on board we would be able to compete with PSG, City, United, Barca, RM etc.

Kroenke is a stubborn c**t though and whilst most gooners are so passive and carry on buying tickets and sitting quietly in the Emirates he won't have much inclination to sell unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

We'll be a 4th-6th club until he goes and takes Wenger with him.

Sleeping giant.... Zzzzz

Kroenke is a billionaire married to an even richer billionairess, even if the stadium was empty he doesn't need to sell as he doesn't need the money. The only way he will sell is he gets that ridiculous offer and to be honest your man Usmanov doesn't seem very inclined to up his 1.3bn offer from last May.

Usmanov is not "my man" , I'm a man slut I'll go with anyone who offers more than Wiggy w*nker .

Seriously though Kroenke is obviously in Arsenal for the Wonga (and the Wenger? ) so if the right offer comes in I think he'll sell, we'll you have to hope anyway because Kroenke sticking around infinitum is too depressing to comprehend.

[Herd]

The fact is as fans ,customers,supporters ,revenue streams we are screwed and are powerless .
I applaud those who have made their protest and their inventiveness ,they certainly had had the media going and it did put pressure on the board but ultimately the result of last years upheavals was to cement TOF in his bunker for two more years with even more power than he had before because Stan is the only person with authority and he thinks Wengers doing fine .
When (not If) things go Pete Tong this year the levels of protest needed will have to bed ramped up considerably , I hope X,Nick and the rest who lead the way are ready because theirt time will come again ..............and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again !

[markyp]

its the stupid cash cow that is the champions league which has distorted the lines of success and failure,us lot here know that finishing 4th for Arsenal isnt good enough season in season out,it boils my piss when the mongs point out that under previous managers arsenal were finishing anywhere in the top half of the table to justify wengers exploits,what they fail to realise is pre CL finishing 4th or even second was no different to finishing 10th,you got nothing and it meant nothing,yes we finished out side the top 4 many times over the years but the outcome was always the manager be it Bertie Mee,Neill,howe,GG getting the bullet,does anybody honestly think that if GG had finished 4th every season he managed us that he would have been allowed to continue in the job back then??not a cat in hells chance.fuck the stupid CL its like every fucker getting a medal on school sports day

[GTG]

The fact is as fans ,customers,supporters ,revenue streams we are screwed and are powerless .
I applaud those who have made their protest and their inventiveness ,they certainly had had the media going and it did put pressure on the board but ultimately the result of last years upheavals was to cement TOF in his bunker for two more years with even more power than he had before because Stan is the only person with authority and he thinks Wengers doing fine .
When (not If) things go Pete Tong this year the levels of protest needed will have to bed ramped up considerably , I hope X,Nick and the rest who lead the way are ready because theirt time will come again ..............and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again !

If I was Nick and the others I wouldn't even bother when the time comes again. Why the fuck would you want to put yourself through all that effort and organising to get no more than 1000 actually turn up? They may get a few more this year when the reality dawns for some more AKB's but it won't go much over that 1000 on any marches and nothing will ever happen in the bowl that hasn't already.

I honestly believed the protests and continual spotlight would make Wenger walk last season despite others telling me it wouldn't I was totally wrong.

You rightly pointed out that it isn't a football club anymore so as such the best option is just to turn up if you want too enjoy a piss up with mates and not get too arsed over it because it aint changing anytime soon.