Man Utd (H) Wednesday 12th February

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Re: Man Utd (H) Wednesday 12th February

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Generally don't go on any other Arsenal sites but whilst deciding to amuse myself to see what opinion Piers Morgan has stumbled into this week I came across a link to a match report on Le Grove. Reckoned our recent record against Citeh, United and Chavs to be P38 W6 D8 L24.

Couldn't believe this so tried to cast my mind back, see if it was remotely credible. As shit as we've been surely not only 6 wins from 38 - especially as City were only title contenders from 2011/12 and this stretches back to 2008/09 including cup games.

Turns out it's true. And of those 6 wins one was in 2008/09 vs City and one in 2010/11, before they were a remotely 'top' side. I knew it was bad but that puts it in perspective. Once again;

P38 W6 D8 L24

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northbank123 wrote:Generally don't go on any other Arsenal sites but whilst deciding to amuse myself to see what opinion Piers Morgan has stumbled into this week I came across a link to a match report on Le Grove. Reckoned our recent record against Citeh, United and Chavs to be P38 W6 D8 L24.

Couldn't believe this so tried to cast my mind back, see if it was remotely credible. As shit as we've been surely not only 6 wins from 38 - especially as City were only title contenders from 2011/12 and this stretches back to 2008/09 including cup games.

Turns out it's true. And of those 6 wins one was in 2008/09 vs City and one in 2010/11, before they were a remotely 'top' side. I knew it was bad but that puts it in perspective. Once again;

P38 W6 D8 L24
Blimey :o

Well found northbank. That's a genuinely shocking stat. :shock:

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northbank123 wrote:Generally don't go on any other Arsenal sites but whilst deciding to amuse myself to see what opinion Piers Morgan has stumbled into this week I came across a link to a match report on Le Grove. Reckoned our recent record against Citeh, United and Chavs to be P38 W6 D8 L24.

Couldn't believe this so tried to cast my mind back, see if it was remotely credible. As shit as we've been surely not only 6 wins from 38 - especially as City were only title contenders from 2011/12 and this stretches back to 2008/09 including cup games.

Turns out it's true. And of those 6 wins one was in 2008/09 vs City and one in 2010/11, before they were a remotely 'top' side. I knew it was bad but that puts it in perspective. Once again;

P38 W6 D8 L24
Sums it up doesn't it?

We won't win anything unless that stat improves.

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Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:
markyp wrote:
BFG4 wrote:One of the most frustrating aspects of the club, is the delusion by some fans, about certain players, especially Giroud. The guy is shit, plain and simple, shouldn't be anywhere near an Arsenal team. He has 10 league goals this season, Bendtner has two goals, having made fuck all starts, and would have the same amount of goals(if not more) having made the same amount of appearances, that says it all about our so called 'vital' striker. Everyone can see it, but of course wanker will stubbornly keep starting him, and when Podolski, the one actual decent finisher we have, leaves in the summer, we will be stuck with Giroud and Sanogo as our attacking options, well done Wenger on ruining a potentially great season, you money grabbing, arrogant prick.
ive always said this of Bendtner,give him a run and hed do no worse the Giroud.Barry plays under immense pressure to perform to try to justify a team place,giroud place with no pressure and still cant deliver,im not saying bendy is the answer,neither are,neither are good enough to lead the line for a club like Arsenal,but ffs last night you cant help feel that Bendy would have converted at least one last night,news years day (I think) against Cardiff springs to mind :banghead:
Giroud isn't good enough, but wanting the Kung-Fu Pansy in the team is too far! :lol:

He may have scored more goals - at best it would only have been a couple of more imo and none in the big games - but our general play would also have suffered relative to having Giroud in the team, not that that's saying much at all. Giroud's link-up play, "assists", workrate, etc have become overrated but over the course of the season he has created more chances/goals for others than Bendtner ever would have, and more than enough to compensate for any extra goals he might have scored too. Any time I even remotely think Bendtner might be an option I just remember that chance at Barcelona.
My original comment didn't mean to sound like I was saying Bendtner is the answer, but merely to point out that given the same amount of game time as Giroud, then Bendtner would have at least, the same amount of goals, which isn't saying much for Giroud.

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:I think its a bit short-sighted to say "Giroud is poor"

He isnt, he is a very important focal point in this team as it stands and works harder than any player ive seen this season off the ball, holds the ball better than anyone and is vital at defending set peices too - i see most games live, im telling you this lad works hard and should be congratulated and supported for it.

What i DO agree with is that working hard isnt enough alone - but is this Girouds fault? He is limited, yes but he has also been played into the ground - the man himself has come out and said Arsenal need another striker. He is on empty now and its showing in his performances and he is missing chances he was putting away last season and the beginning of this. He is a very, very good memeber of this squad - it is not his fault he is probaly been playing above his limitations and gets f-all rest and f-all support. He is a striker that misses Walcott too - look who many times they linked together last season.

He was dead on his feet after 80 mins last night, and should have been replaced. I dont see what the fuss is with Ozil last night either, he is playing like a player that doesnt want to be there to be honest!
As a striker, Giroud can be judged on one thing, does he score goals, and he has only 10 in the league this season, and only 3 in his last 14 games, that is extremely poor. He is one of the worse finishers ive ever seen, he squanders plenty of decent chances, and not only misses, usually puts it high into the stand. When it comes down to it, we have a quality finisher in Podolski, but of course, he never gets his chance, as Wenger clearly dislikes him. What I find most laughable, is that if Podolski doesn't play well in the rare games, he is given a chance, then it is seen as a justification by some, that he is not good enough, but we see Giroud every week, and he clearly isn't up to it, last night proved that.

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Totally agree giroot is fucking garbage.I love the way he looks skyward every fuck up he makes :oops: how in the fuck he is leading the line at one of europes biggest clubs is beyond a joke :( le bumhole knows though.

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northbank123 wrote:Generally don't go on any other Arsenal sites but whilst deciding to amuse myself to see what opinion Piers Morgan has stumbled into this week I came across a link to a match report on Le Grove. Reckoned our recent record against Citeh, United and Chavs to be P38 W6 D8 L24.

Couldn't believe this so tried to cast my mind back, see if it was remotely credible. As shit as we've been surely not only 6 wins from 38 - especially as City were only title contenders from 2011/12 and this stretches back to 2008/09 including cup games.

Turns out it's true. And of those 6 wins one was in 2008/09 vs City and one in 2010/11, before they were a remotely 'top' side. I knew it was bad but that puts it in perspective. Once again;

P38 W6 D8 L24
reflects our manager. complete bottle job fuck head.

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There are fans on here who want Barry the useless f**ktard to start for us after slagging us off and being quite frankly useless. Juventus go lumbered with him and played no striker rather than have have him. :oops:

The amount of contributions Giroud made to the good start we had this season would not have been done by even an in form Barry. This thread is getting embarrassing now. :oops: :roll:

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topgoon wrote:There are fans on here who want Barry the useless f**ktard to start for us after slagging us off and being quite frankly useless. Juventus go lumbered with him and played no striker rather than have have him. :oops:

The amount of contributions Giroud made to the good start we had this season would not have been done by even an in form Barry. This thread is getting embarrassing now. :oops: :roll:
Have to agree. The Fat Drunk is appalling. No touch, no work ethic, lazy, can't be bothered to challenge for 50% of the time, arrogant, generally just shite. A few people on here need to watch some footage of what the Fat Drunk actually does on the pitch, not listen to what he says he thinks he can do, but actually watch the footage again. :roll:

Someone said above that Giroud flicks on to nobody as if that's Giroud's fault! Dear God, do some people know nothing about the game?! :roll: We play 4-5-1 ffs. There is no one up there with him because our manager is tactically limited and our midfielders (since Ramsey got crocked) don't commit and run in behind to pick up on the flick ons. Yet we still launch balls in to him in the air and in fairness to him (unlike the Fat Drunk) Giroud shows and challenges for every one of them and wins most of them.

Also the abject lack of pace is killing us in that department. If you play a tall target man up front you either play him as part of a 4-4-2 with a partner or you have at least one or two very pacey attacking midfielders that can get in behind and latch onto the flick ons.

Giroud wins most of the balls he challenges for, he holds up and lays off well. His weakness is in finishing and in running (no pace and not sure where to run). That's because he is (at best) a second striker, NOT a first striker. The fact he has so many assists and has scored as many as he has is a miracle in that we are not playing to his strengths at all. :|

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:We havnt conceded too many goals from Set Peices this year, Zonal Marking works fine over a season - but if players are positioned poorly or are not switched on they suffer - hence Saturday.

Zonal marking isnt a huge problem, i agree it can exploited by class players on occassion but % wise we win more balls than we lose...if we turn up!
Erm... I believe the stat monkeys will tell you it's something like 45% of the goals we've conceded that have come from set pieces this season, mate. :|

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Turning it round when did we last score from a free kick or any set piece.

I can remember Theos great headed goal from a corner, and BFG getting a pen for shirt pulling v Southamptom home, but they arent coming nearly often enough- the sooner Kallstroms (As an apparrent free kick specialist) fit the better :oops: :oops:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
topgoon wrote:There are fans on here who want Barry the useless f**ktard to start for us after slagging us off and being quite frankly useless. Juventus go lumbered with him and played no striker rather than have have him. :oops:

The amount of contributions Giroud made to the good start we had this season would not have been done by even an in form Barry. This thread is getting embarrassing now. :oops: :roll:
Have to agree. The Fat Drunk is appalling. No touch, no work ethic, lazy, can't be bothered to challenge for 50% of the time, arrogant, generally just shite. A few people on here need to watch some footage of what the Fat Drunk actually does on the pitch, not listen to what he says he thinks he can do, but actually watch the footage again. :roll:

Someone said above that Giroud flicks on to nobody as if that's Giroud's fault! Dear God, do some people know nothing about the game?! :roll: We play 4-5-1 ffs. There is no one up there with him because our manager is tactically limited and our midfielders (since Ramsey got crocked) don't commit and run in behind to pick up on the flick ons. Yet we still launch balls in to him in the air and in fairness to him (unlike the Fat Drunk) Giroud shows and challenges for every one of them and wins most of them.

Also the abject lack of pace is killing us in that department. If you play a tall target man up front you either play him as part of a 4-4-2 with a partner or you have at least one or two very pacey attacking midfielders that can get in behind and latch onto the flick ons.

Giroud wins most of the balls he challenges for, he holds up and lays off well. His weakness is in finishing and in running (no pace and not sure where to run). That's because he is (at best) a second striker, NOT a first striker. The fact he has so many assists and has scored as many as he has is a miracle in that we are not playing to his strengths at all. :|
Nobody wants bendtner to start, what is being pointed out is that considering Giroud has only 10 league goals, then given the same amount of game time, bendtner would at least match that amount, and as ive said earlier, that doesn't say a lot for Giroud. I take DB10GOONER's point that with another player alongside him, Giroud could play up front, but realistically, if Wenger put any effort in the transfer window, Giroud wouldn't be near the team, because as the season has gone on, his performances have gotten worse and worse, Giroud has 3 goals in his last 14 games, that is a shocking return, reguardless of what formation we play, and I cant believe we have gotten to the stage, where we are justifying leaving a guy in the team,(whose job it is to score goals) while at the same time admitting he isn't a good finisher.
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DB10GOONER wrote:Someone said above that Giroud flicks on to nobody as if that's Giroud's fault! Dear God, do some people know nothing about the game?! :roll: We play 4-5-1 ffs. There is no one up there with him because our manager is tactically limited and our midfielders (since Ramsey got crocked) don't commit and run in behind to pick up on the flick ons. Yet we still launch balls in to him in the air and in fairness to him (unlike the Fat Drunk) Giroud shows and challenges for every one of them and wins most of them.

Also the abject lack of pace is killing us in that department. If you play a tall target man up front you either play him as part of a 4-4-2 with a partner or you have at least one or two very pacey attacking midfielders that can get in behind and latch onto the flick ons.
It's not just balls in the air for flick-ons either. A huge part of our "gameplan" earlier in the season was feeding the ball right into Giroud's feet where he'd either flick it round the corner first-time for a midfielder running beyond, or hold off the defender & lay it back for a through-ball to a "3rd man" runner. He was the tip of all the triangles we were playing around the box, but the key to any of them coming off was always getting someone running past him. Now, as you say, we dont have anyone making those runs and on top of that we've used it so much everyone's figured out that tactic anyway and can read it a mile off. Yet we still persist playing that same ball into him over and over again hoping for a different outcome.

That's why I say, wherever we play Ox, we need to get him in a position to make those runs Ramsey and/or Walcott would be making. He's the only one left with the pace and the engine to make it work. It'd still be too predictable but at least we'd be committing to the idea instead of half-arsing it.

I'm sure some people think when we complain about Wenger's lack of tactical nous we're expecting him to come up with some elaborate new formation for every opponent, but really it's just the small details. Understanding why something worked before and isn't now, and addressing it. Half an hour on the training ground or even just a short conversation with the player[s] in question. Instead we hear about how he likes players to "figure it out for themselves." :lol: :barscarf:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:We havnt conceded too many goals from Set Peices this year, Zonal Marking works fine over a season - but if players are positioned poorly or are not switched on they suffer - hence Saturday.

Zonal marking isnt a huge problem, i agree it can exploited by class players on occassion but % wise we win more balls than we lose...if we turn up!
Erm... I believe the stat monkeys will tell you it's something like 45% of the goals we've conceded that have come from set pieces this season, mate. :|
But weve conceded a lot less goals :-)

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:We havnt conceded too many goals from Set Peices this year, Zonal Marking works fine over a season - but if players are positioned poorly or are not switched on they suffer - hence Saturday.

Zonal marking isnt a huge problem, i agree it can exploited by class players on occassion but % wise we win more balls than we lose...if we turn up!
Erm... I believe the stat monkeys will tell you it's something like 45% of the goals we've conceded that have come from set pieces this season, mate. :|
But weve conceded a lot less goals :-)
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