The players

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rich31 wrote:There is absolutely no bloody excuse for 2 employees of AFC laughing after we have conceded any goal...let alone the 10th on aggregate...lets not get blinded by wengers failings...this was still bloody disgraceful and showed they dont really give a feck as long as the wages keep going in every month .....am i the only one who didnt find the thrashing funny or their behaviour excusable?...im worn out by wenger and the whole bloody mess but i still care if we are humiliated
Great post. 8)

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I feel absolutely nothing for these players. They're just bland, interchangeable automatons in Wenger's grand machine. I don't find them any more or any less gutless than the Eboue/Denilson/Diaby generation.

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AS ABOVE

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Despite my general lack of feelings for these players, I would give most of them a season under a new manager, aside from the ones who are finished, like Mertesacker and Cazorla. Whoever fails at that point should get fucked off, regardless of name or reputation.

Unsurprisingly, I'd let Sanogo go and any other cúnt thieving a living from the club who doesn't play for the first team. I'd also have a clean sweep of all the pubbers in our excuse for a youth team, which has been largely dogshit since the 80s. I'd also get rid of this standardised Wengerball shite though the reserves and youths and have individual training and tactics for each of them, so a young player can learn different things as he comes up through the ranks. I'd also restrict the amount of foreign players in the youth team, unless they are a genuine wonder-kid.

I'd also enforce a wage cap on anyone outside the youth team. Make them play for their first team place and a wage rise. I'd also refuse to put any young player in the first team on more than £20K a week unless he has won silverware. Fuck the Socialist Wage Structure. There should be three wage brackets in the first team; £20-50K, £50-100K and World Class which is 'Pay what they are worth'.

Trouble is, we have to get The Old Fraud out first :box:

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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
1989 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:But more into the topic... I would keep about half of the current team and tell the rest to fuck off. The players I'd keep:

- Cech, has actually won something. Would buy new keeper to challenge him
. Mustafi, has potential and was quite solid when he arrived. Got arsenalized in the process and looks shattered now
- Kos, has potential and in proper coaching will probably get rid of those stupid brain fart moments
- Bellerin, has gone backwards but as a young player has still very good potential, especially in attacking play
- Xhaka, has been good in international level and has potential. Looked good when he arrived but got arsenalized in the process and looks very average right now
- Alexis, no words needed. Only world class player in my opinion. Is that kind of character what the fans have been crying for ages and is now accused of having negative mentality or whatever. Probably a victim of clubs smear campaign once announced that he will fuck off. I would turn earth and heavens to keep him, no matter what.
- Özil, no matter what most of the fans say. He is the "Grande Artista", a creator who needs right kind of players around him. Was absolutely brilliant when he arrived and got arsenalized like many, many good players before him.
- Giroud, I would seriously think about that because he might succeed in target man role in 442 system. Put him up front with another striker, preferably true world class striker like Higuain etc. At least I would try this, it might work or it could go tits up.

Thats it I think. Rest of the squad I would dump in Thames, that's all they are good for.
I'd add Ox, Holding, Gibbs, Elneny, Iwobi, Welbeck and Perez. The rest can fuck off.
Yes Ox of course, he has been actually on of our best player lately. Holding also maybe, hard to say about him as he hasn't played that much yet.
Name me 5 good games Ox has had in his 6 years at the club?

There are only two players i would keep.Sanchez who is world class and Bellerin.Both who will be off very soon.We lose our best players and give long term contracts to the likes of Walcott Ramsey Gibbs Ox

Xhaka has to be the worst buy of the season £35m thats more than the brilliant Kante FFS. Why do we keep buying Swiss shit(Djourou Senderos) when have Switzerland been any good

Ozil is a fucking coward away from home in big games there are more sightings of Lord Lucan riding Shergar

It shows how much Wenger has brainwashed the fans when so many are happy with the mediocrity at the club

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Graham71 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
1989 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:But more into the topic... I would keep about half of the current team and tell the rest to fuck off. The players I'd keep:

- Cech, has actually won something. Would buy new keeper to challenge him
. Mustafi, has potential and was quite solid when he arrived. Got arsenalized in the process and looks shattered now
- Kos, has potential and in proper coaching will probably get rid of those stupid brain fart moments
- Bellerin, has gone backwards but as a young player has still very good potential, especially in attacking play
- Xhaka, has been good in international level and has potential. Looked good when he arrived but got arsenalized in the process and looks very average right now
- Alexis, no words needed. Only world class player in my opinion. Is that kind of character what the fans have been crying for ages and is now accused of having negative mentality or whatever. Probably a victim of clubs smear campaign once announced that he will fuck off. I would turn earth and heavens to keep him, no matter what.
- Özil, no matter what most of the fans say. He is the "Grande Artista", a creator who needs right kind of players around him. Was absolutely brilliant when he arrived and got arsenalized like many, many good players before him.
- Giroud, I would seriously think about that because he might succeed in target man role in 442 system. Put him up front with another striker, preferably true world class striker like Higuain etc. At least I would try this, it might work or it could go tits up.

Thats it I think. Rest of the squad I would dump in Thames, that's all they are good for.
I'd add Ox, Holding, Gibbs, Elneny, Iwobi, Welbeck and Perez. The rest can fuck off.
Yes Ox of course, he has been actually on of our best player lately. Holding also maybe, hard to say about him as he hasn't played that much yet.
Name me 5 good games Ox has had in his 6 years at the club?

There are only two players i would keep.Sanchez who is world class and Bellerin.Both who will be off very soon.We lose our best players and give long term contracts to the likes of Walcott Ramsey Gibbs Ox

Xhaka has to be the worst buy of the season £35m thats more than the brilliant Kante FFS. Why do we keep buying Swiss shit(Djourou Senderos) when have Switzerland been any good

Ozil is a fucking coward away from home in big games there are more sightings of Lord Lucan riding Shergar

It shows how much Wenger has brainwashed the fans when so many are happy with the mediocrity at the club
Swiss were good in '94 when woy Hodgeson took them to the world cup semi final.
I like Xhaka got something about him, great shot, gets stuck in when with Cazorla runs the midfield.

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Graham71 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
1989 wrote:
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:But more into the topic... I would keep about half of the current team and tell the rest to fuck off. The players I'd keep:

- Cech, has actually won something. Would buy new keeper to challenge him
. Mustafi, has potential and was quite solid when he arrived. Got arsenalized in the process and looks shattered now
- Kos, has potential and in proper coaching will probably get rid of those stupid brain fart moments
- Bellerin, has gone backwards but as a young player has still very good potential, especially in attacking play
- Xhaka, has been good in international level and has potential. Looked good when he arrived but got arsenalized in the process and looks very average right now
- Alexis, no words needed. Only world class player in my opinion. Is that kind of character what the fans have been crying for ages and is now accused of having negative mentality or whatever. Probably a victim of clubs smear campaign once announced that he will fuck off. I would turn earth and heavens to keep him, no matter what.
- Özil, no matter what most of the fans say. He is the "Grande Artista", a creator who needs right kind of players around him. Was absolutely brilliant when he arrived and got arsenalized like many, many good players before him.
- Giroud, I would seriously think about that because he might succeed in target man role in 442 system. Put him up front with another striker, preferably true world class striker like Higuain etc. At least I would try this, it might work or it could go tits up.

Thats it I think. Rest of the squad I would dump in Thames, that's all they are good for.
I'd add Ox, Holding, Gibbs, Elneny, Iwobi, Welbeck and Perez. The rest can fuck off.
Yes Ox of course, he has been actually on of our best player lately. Holding also maybe, hard to say about him as he hasn't played that much yet.
Name me 5 good games Ox has had in his 6 years at the club?

There are only two players i would keep.Sanchez who is world class and Bellerin.Both who will be off very soon.We lose our best players and give long term contracts to the likes of Walcott Ramsey Gibbs Ox

Xhaka has to be the worst buy of the season £35m thats more than the brilliant Kante FFS. Why do we keep buying Swiss shit(Djourou Senderos) when have Switzerland been any good

Ozil is a fucking coward away from home in big games there are more sightings of Lord Lucan riding Shergar

It shows how much Wenger has brainwashed the fans when so many are happy with the mediocrity at the club
That's a fair point but I think that Ox has upped his game big time while rest of the team has gone to shit. At least he tries to make something to happen on the pitch. i still think there is decent player somewhere inside him. Is he world class? No fucking hell and never will be.

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Sean wrote:Despite my general lack of feelings for these players, I would give most of them a season under a new manager, aside from the ones who are finished, like Mertesacker and Cazorla. Whoever fails at that point should get fucked off, regardless of name or reputation.

Unsurprisingly, I'd let Sanogo go and any other cúnt thieving a living from the club who doesn't play for the first team. I'd also have a clean sweep of all the pubbers in our excuse for a youth team, which has been largely dogshit since the 80s. I'd also get rid of this standardised Wengerball shite though the reserves and youths and have individual training and tactics for each of them, so a young player can learn different things as he comes up through the ranks. I'd also restrict the amount of foreign players in the youth team, unless they are a genuine wonder-kid.

I'd also enforce a wage cap on anyone outside the youth team. Make them play for their first team place and a wage rise. I'd also refuse to put any young player in the first team on more than £20K a week unless he has won silverware. Fuck the Socialist Wage Structure. There should be three wage brackets in the first team; £20-50K, £50-100K and World Class which is 'Pay what they are worth'.

Trouble is, we have to get The Old Fraud out first :box:
This 100%. Current wage structure is one of the main problems that we have. Giving absolute dross players nearly the same wages that our "star" players earn is madness.

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Bob Bayliss wrote:I see Walcott is all over the back page of The Standard saying "We've got to fight for the manager"......"We need to take the pressure off him". You'd have thought that his only focus would be that they are letting the club down, but oh no, all Walcott is concerned about is how the players' performances are damaging the Wenger brand.

Not surprising that is his perspective, really.....who else would have given him the sort of money Wenger has, while picking him as a regular starter when he would be no more than an effective bench option along with Danny Welbeck in a strong squad (as he used to be in ours a few years ago).



Thing I am always surprised at is how nobody ever mentions the timing of wally's babbling to the press - think about when you ever heard him talking us up if he was a sub or was after having a 'mare (more often than not :roll: ), cos I certainly cant remember it ever happening :rubchin: However every single time the c.unt scores or has a good game (I've seen more of haleys comet :oops: ), you can be sure that he will be gobbing off to the meeja within days - for me this typifies the type of selfish individual ethos running through the club, cos making these type of public statement are only important enough to wally when he himself is doing well cos it ups his image :evil:

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augie wrote:
Bob Bayliss wrote:I see Walcott is all over the back page of The Standard saying "We've got to fight for the manager"......"We need to take the pressure off him". You'd have thought that his only focus would be that they are letting the club down, but oh no, all Walcott is concerned about is how the players' performances are damaging the Wenger brand.

Not surprising that is his perspective, really.....who else would have given him the sort of money Wenger has, while picking him as a regular starter when he would be no more than an effective bench option along with Danny Welbeck in a strong squad (as he used to be in ours a few years ago).



Thing I am always surprised at is how nobody ever mentions the timing of wally's babbling to the press - think about when you ever heard him talking us up if he was a sub or was after having a 'mare (more often than not :roll: ), cos I certainly cant remember it ever happening :rubchin: However every single time the c.unt scores or has a good game (I've seen more of haleys comet :oops: ), you can be sure that he will be gobbing off to the meeja within days - for me this typifies the type of selfish individual ethos running through the club, cos making these type of public statement are only important enough to wally when he himself is doing well cos it ups his image :evil:
To be fair to Wally, he is most likely put forward by the club's P.R people, Cos he speaks nicely, politely claps the fans, and promotes a good image, as opposed to Gabriel etc.

That said even he should see the folly of mouthing off after beating Olympiacos or some other small team with the " sent a message around d Europe" bullshit he is asked to spout.

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Theoperator wrote:Im curious as to how Rambo was so effective for Wales in the EC, and the season he strolled it for us, and is hopeless now- is it the way he is managed/ coached?

I would keep for now, though appreciate he isnt in favour on here :oops:

TBH I do wonder how many of the squad would actually start playing decently if properly coached- hard to say it could either be a disaster of a revelation :? Ox definately has the makings of a decent player but is so obviously not being played to the best :twisted:
this is the thing,our squad is decent,its just needs pointing in the right direction,of course there is some deadwood but not as much as some people make out

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With a leetle bit of direction and coherence then it is up to them, but as stated the likes of cash cheats ie Sanogo should be fucked off to Lincoln, actually they would not have him either...

You cannot run a side on pure stats, the scientific approach served us well in the past and was a welcome addition to players nutrition and performance...
Unfortunately Le Nutty Professeur has leaned far too much to science that he has left the playing and tactical side of the game behind....He now resembles Dr Jeckle with his test tube potions bubbling away!....

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just curious how a group that ran Chelsea off the field in a very good home win, to become a group of bottlers. That day, they were class, showed good effort, convincing win. So they do have the ability, what went wrong?

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dano wrote:just curious how a group that ran Chelsea off the field in a very good home win, to become a group of bottlers. That day, they were class, showed good effort, convincing win. So they do have the ability, what went wrong?
No consistency, no real deep self belief, too many players that can only hit a high technical level occasionally, a manager that doesn't prepare them, or believe in tactical game management. This is where a top manager gets the best from a squad like ours. Ranieri last season man-managed and tactically-managed that Leicester team to the title by being pragmatic about what he had to work with.

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dano wrote:just curious how a group that ran Chelsea off the field in a very good home win, to become a group of bottlers. That day, they were class, showed good effort, convincing win. So they do have the ability, what went wrong?
Looking back i wonder how much of that was down to Chelsea still looking to gel under a new manager as much as our guys playing out their skins, a bit of both in all probability :rubchin:

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