Manchester City (N) | FA Cup SF | Sun 23 Apr 15:00

[DB10GOONER]

Unfortunately it is this kind of thinking that stops the protest. The club can ignore a couple of hundred protesters but they couldn't ignore thousands. But most still think, why bother. Anyway, I am tired of this argument and I am tired of our fans. If Wenger signs I know I got off my Arsenal and did everything I could, sadly most didn't.

Sorry Nick but that is horseshit. It doesn't stop fuck all. It doesn't influence things either way. I'm certainly not vain enough to think my opinion or comments will influence anyone. People make their own choices. And that is the problem. A lot of people that on the surface want a change of manager are not protesting because they believe (rightly or wrongly) that the owner/board will not be swayed by us the fans. Also, I think we need to be a bit more pragmatic and accept that we who want Wenger out are still not in the majority of Arsenal fans. We are (I believe) a large minority. It's a shame, but I believe it is true.

Does that mean the protests should stop? No. If people still have the heart for it then they should keep it going. Do I hope a continued protest could in some way someday see Wenger off? Yes, of course. Do I believe in my heart and soul that it would? No.

Either way, we at the Online Gooner (admin and mods) will continue to facilitate and offer any help we can to the leaders of the protest, some of which is stuff that can't be discussed on here.

You really don't think you can change things through protest? It has happened at other clubs so why not ours?
To be honest I'm really sick of arguing but mostly sick of our fans.

Again, it comes back to our owner and board. Kroenke is not a football man. He is a business man. We are not shit enough to hurt his return. Financially the pressure is not there. You have to remember that Arsenal operates as a non-quoted public limited company, so our ownership is considerably different from that of other football clubs. Wenger brings in the CL money (and the supposed prestige that goes with it for the marketing boys ) and the bowl sells enough season tickets and brings in enough tourists and JCL mongs that match day revenue is still profitable. Kroenke is the ONLY one with the power to sack Wenger but he won't. What does he care what a few thousand ungrateful fuckers like us think? If our owner was a football man (like many other owners) then maybe we could influence the owner and he'd sack Wenger. But he ain't.

So what is the other option? Hope Wenger gets sick of the protest and leaves off his own bat? I can't see that happening with his ego so out of whack... although I'd say there might be more chance of that happening then the wiggy cúnt sacking him... but even then, it's a minuscule chance.

Kroenke is not a football man so would hope he would employ/listen to someone who is. He did actually sack the head coach at his NFL side this season so there is hope.......

There's always hope, mate. I actually believe if the protests were to continue over the next 2 seasons (and hopefully grow in numbers / public spectacles etc as the team continues to underachieve) then at some point over those 2 years (maybe even only at the end) it just might trigger a spoiled brat response in Wenger whereby he says "Right fuck the lot of you, you ungrateful bastards. I'm too good for you" and then storms off in a huff. It's also a minuscule hope, I freely admit it, but I think there is more chance of that than him being sacked by our useless crunt owner or the protest (so far) leading to Wenger suddenly realising he isn't the man for the job and leaving in an honourable way.

The problem is though that to trigger such a response in Wenger it would mean the protest becoming more vitriolic and less respectful and who knows how many Gooners would be willing to go down that road. Maybe very few. But if the next two seasons are a repeat of the same old shit, then who knows...the numbers could grow significantly...

It's a slim slim hope but it is hope.

[REB]

this thread is so funny, blaming everything and everyone except themselves

even the poor emirates airline gets a bashing

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threa ... 38/page-72

[NickF]

this thread is so funny, blaming everything and everyone except themselves

even the poor emirates airline gets a bashing

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threa ... 38/page-72

Complaining about slow build up, tippy tappy play and backwards passes - could almost be this forum.
Even complaints about calling for the managers head if they don't make top 4.

Funnily enough I was actually struck by how similiar we were in terms of style yesterday, almost like watching Arsenal play Arsenal.
Got me thinking as to whether Pep would actually be good for us or whether it would just be exactly as now.

[augie]

I got slightly sidetracked today and I never actually properly addressed the argument our midget mod was making about our board/club having no interest in what the fans say - for me the purpose of the protests was two pronged in that it targeted the board, but also unsettled the arrogant French cuntbag dictator. History has shown us that he doesn't have any tolerance for being questioned by pundits, journo's or fans - my hope was/is that all this questioning of him would prompt him to say "fcuk this, I'm outa here" I actually believed from the start that our best hope of getting him out was to antagonize him instead of the board - his arrogance tells him that we are all beneath him and that he shouldn't have to defend himself to us, so maybe abusing him more might do the trick

Of course you would think that hearing the scum fans saying next sunday about how they want him to stay, would be the kick in the bollox the board need to wake up and get rid

[REB]

this thread is so funny, blaming everything and everyone except themselves

even the poor emirates airline gets a bashing

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threa ... 38/page-72

Complaining about slow build up, tippy tappy play and backwards passes - could almost be this forum.
Even complaints about calling for the managers head if they don't make top 4.

Funnily enough I was actually struck by how similiar we were in terms of style yesterday, almost like watching Arsenal play Arsenal.
Got me thinking as to whether Pep would actually be good for us or whether it would just be exactly as now.

never have i come across such moaning , makes this place look positive

[herbert]

Fickle as duck to use the vermin and there we want him to stay on any level
Turn it around and if pocco or whatever is tucking name is had numerous trophy and 20 yrs above us
After 1 season of finishing above you would really want him to stay?
They are doing it to add to the disruption and any proper(a word used a lot on here) gooner should rise above it and not use the vermin and there reverse psychology in any shape or form in my humble opinion

[Rugby Gooner]

I was at the game,and had WOBS on my left,and AKBS on my right,
a proper reasoned argument occurred during breaks in the game with respect for alternate views.
We all enjoyed the result,but disagreed on what direction the club should take,I have even said that I would have a beer with one of the AKBS at the Leicester game as we are in the same block in the North Bank Lower.
Today,as I booked a day off, I am having a few cold ones,and switching between London and Manc music.
So far I have done Squeeze Greatest Hits,Definitely Maybe,Jams Greatest Hits,Stone Roses Second Coming,and Village Green Preservation Society.
I am feeling Saturn Five by the Inspiral Carpets ,followed by London Calling as the next plays.
Feel free to offer some choices.

[Retro Gunner]

Fickle as duck to use the vermin and there we want him to stay on any level
Turn it around and if pocco or whatever is tucking name is had numerous trophy and 20 yrs above us
After 1 season of finishing above you would really want him to stay?
They are doing it to add to the disruption and any proper(a word used a lot on here) gooner should rise above it and not use the vermin and there reverse psychology in any shape or form in my humble opinion

Hello Herbie, glad that you enjoyed it yesterday.

Regarding the scum, do you really believe that their singing about wanting him to stay is only reverse psychology ? You truly think that they dread the idea of him staying, because he's going to lead us to great things ?? You don't think that they see their club as on the "up", while ours has been stagnating for years ?

I suppose what I should ask you is, do you see Wenger leading us to great things in the years ahead ? I certainly don't, because there's absolutely no evidence to suggest he will, so if I were a scum fan, I'd want him around indefinitely.

Tell me, how do you apply your "numerous trophies and 20 yrs" and "one season of finishing above" us argument to Chelsea....because their fans sing it too. Of course, perhaps they don't mean it either, because they must be terrified of Arsene eh?? I wonder if we might hear it being sung on the 27th May ?

[burns718]

Have to be honest herd and admit that I am not - I really don't give a fcuk how that will make me look to some Gooners, but the reality is that I would prioritise AFC's future ahead of winning one trophy this season.
A lot of fans keep repeating that they believe that wenker is staying regardless and we should just focus on enjoying these games, but isn't that the equivalent of waving the white flag in the same manner we ALL slate the players for doing - in the big games our players continually surrender and it drives us nuts, but yet these same fans are saying that we should surrender and accept that wenker is staying, and just enjoy ourselves, and that is double standards imo

If you are referring to my comments then you have totally misread them. How is it "surrendering"? It is just accepting reality. I'm not saying the protests should stop, but I accept that no matter how much hard work that the likes of xisstential, mattyb and Jumpers for Goalposts have done, ultimately it won't drive Wenger out - not this season anyway... so I will try and get some enjoyment from football where I can. If you cannot separate the two things that is your issue.

Personally I have accepted he is staying. And I will try and enjoy the FA Cup final and I will hope we win it because I have accepted the harsh reality that he is not leaving no matter what happens at Wembley. Am I gonna let that ruin my life? Let it turn me against my club that I have supported for 40 years and followed all over England and Europe and spent thousands in cash and hours doing so? Not a chance.

For a small man you sure have a lot of paranoia

It was a generalized comment that covers many fans DB10, but I don't dispute that you are included in that group - what you call accepting the reality, I call surrendering. One of many critcisms of these players is that these players don't man up for the games against the big clubs - could that be viewed as accepting the reality that wenker has taught about being unable to compete with these clubs ? Personally I cannot accept that he is staying and I cannot accept the players, the managers and the board not doing everything they can to succeed, and this "acceptance" of a second/third rate manager does not work for me

The elephant in the room you are missing is those players can in a fundamental way dictate a change in their performance on the pitch. They can play better. They can show more heart. They can refuse to lie down. They can give more. They can train harder. They can fight harder. Ultimately the manager's influence is very limited during games - all players and managers will tell you that - and once they cross that white line you rely on the players to give their best and to have a spirit and a never say die psyche. Our players don't. And yes a lot of that is down to Wenger, but also a lot of it is down to the players.

But as fans we cannot influence Wenger's tenure because the board and the owner don't give a shit about us or football or winning trophies. We can protest and we can boycott etc, but ultimately it will not affect Wenger's tenure. We have no tangible power over our own destiny beyond personal decisions like deciding not to go anymore, because our owner and board are not football people and they view our club as a business. At other clubs where the owners/board are football people the fans might have some influence, but at Modern Arsenal? We have none unfortunately.

You also seem a bit confused and to be implying that accepting the cold hard fact Wenger is not leaving (the bit in red) is somehow to be seen as accepting that as the norm. It isn't. You can see and accept a fact without being a supporter of that fact. It's called being pragmatic.

So, and I know that I am taking your words literally here, you have no problem with the old French c.unt sitting their motionless throughout games, except on the times when he flaps his arms and/or berates the poor 4th official ?? I absolutely agree that the majority of a managers work is down during the week of a game, but they still have responsibilities to game manage as well (something le cock is particularly shit at) with changes of tactics/personel and bollocking players where necessary, and to call any managers influence as limited is giving him an unwarranted free pass imo.
We will also agree that the players (wenkers players) need to do more and show more passion and commitment, but they are certainly restricted on what they can do as regards changing the pattern of a game - I have a young lad playing for his league representative under 14 side, and the instructions they receive from their managers are expected to be followed implicitly regardless of whether the instructions are flawed or not, and that to me sums up wenker's style of management. Players game managing and recognizing and altering weaknesses is not tolerated under wenker's regime, so if a tactical system or team selection is screwing us over continually, there is only so much that the players can do to remedy it, and ultimately this must frustrate and wear down the players

The thing I would also question is the suggestion that the protests will not affect wenker's future - what proof do we have on that ? The two year contract offer was publicly known before the protests really went up a level (some might say that the contract offer led to the increased vocal opposition), so the club made the offer before the fans had a chance to influence them. We seem happy to believe some of the stuff in the media from inside the club, so do we believe that there is a drive to change our internal structures and take some power away from le cock ? What do you think may have influenced such a move ? Without doubt I would say that the fans unhappiness at wenker will have played a part in instigating moves for a shake up, and I say that even if wenker ends up staying on

THIS IS THE MAN CITY THREAD, the whole wenger scenario is boring enough without it being on EVERY THREAD, take it elsewhere pleeeease

[herbert]

Fickle as duck to use the vermin and there we want him to stay on any level
Turn it around and if pocco or whatever is tucking name is had numerous trophy and 20 yrs above us
After 1 season of finishing above you would really want him to stay?
They are doing it to add to the disruption and any proper(a word used a lot on here) gooner should rise above it and not use the vermin and there reverse psychology in any shape or form in my humble opinion

Hello Herbie, glad that you enjoyed it yesterday.

Regarding the scum, do you really believe that their singing about wanting him to stay is only reverse psychology ? You truly think that they dread the idea of him staying, because he's going to lead us to great things ?? You don't think that they see their club as on the "up", while ours has been stagnating for years ?

I suppose what I should ask you is, do you see Wenger leading us to great things in the years ahead ? I certainly don't, because there's absolutely no evidence to suggest he will, so if I were a scum fan, I'd want him around indefinitely.

Tell me, how do you apply your "numerous trophies and 20 yrs" and "one season of finishing above" us argument to Chelsea....because their fans sing it too. Of course, perhaps they don't mean it either, because they must be terrified of Arsene eh?? I wonder if we might hear it being sung on the 27th May ?

The vermin fans hate him as much as you do and stagnate? while they are filling up there trophy cabinet? And Chelsea West ham man city and everyone else do it because of our place as the social media kings of football fuelled by aftv and its celebrity wobs and the wenger out planes and buses billboards and the wenger out banners from all over the world on Twitter and facebook,,you have got what you wanted but my Arsenal skin is thicker than to give a duck what the vermin or anyone else has to say about us and if the chavs beat us on the 27 May I will be to upset about losing the game to give a duck about what there singing,when it comes to Wenger i am only interested in what you or I or any other Arsenal supporter has to say no one else matters I can rise above it

[herbert]

If you are referring to my comments then you have totally misread them. How is it "surrendering"? It is just accepting reality. I'm not saying the protests should stop, but I accept that no matter how much hard work that the likes of xisstential, mattyb and Jumpers for Goalposts have done, ultimately it won't drive Wenger out - not this season anyway... so I will try and get some enjoyment from football where I can. If you cannot separate the two things that is your issue.

Personally I have accepted he is staying. And I will try and enjoy the FA Cup final and I will hope we win it because I have accepted the harsh reality that he is not leaving no matter what happens at Wembley. Am I gonna let that ruin my life? Let it turn me against my club that I have supported for 40 years and followed all over England and Europe and spent thousands in cash and hours doing so? Not a chance.

For a small man you sure have a lot of paranoia

It was a generalized comment that covers many fans DB10, but I don't dispute that you are included in that group - what you call accepting the reality, I call surrendering. One of many critcisms of these players is that these players don't man up for the games against the big clubs - could that be viewed as accepting the reality that wenker has taught about being unable to compete with these clubs ? Personally I cannot accept that he is staying and I cannot accept the players, the managers and the board not doing everything they can to succeed, and this "acceptance" of a second/third rate manager does not work for me

The elephant in the room you are missing is those players can in a fundamental way dictate a change in their performance on the pitch. They can play better. They can show more heart. They can refuse to lie down. They can give more. They can train harder. They can fight harder. Ultimately the manager's influence is very limited during games - all players and managers will tell you that - and once they cross that white line you rely on the players to give their best and to have a spirit and a never say die psyche. Our players don't. And yes a lot of that is down to Wenger, but also a lot of it is down to the players.

But as fans we cannot influence Wenger's tenure because the board and the owner don't give a shit about us or football or winning trophies. We can protest and we can boycott etc, but ultimately it will not affect Wenger's tenure. We have no tangible power over our own destiny beyond personal decisions like deciding not to go anymore, because our owner and board are not football people and they view our club as a business. At other clubs where the owners/board are football people the fans might have some influence, but at Modern Arsenal? We have none unfortunately.

You also seem a bit confused and to be implying that accepting the cold hard fact Wenger is not leaving (the bit in red) is somehow to be seen as accepting that as the norm. It isn't. You can see and accept a fact without being a supporter of that fact. It's called being pragmatic.

So, and I know that I am taking your words literally here, you have no problem with the old French c.unt sitting their motionless throughout games, except on the times when he flaps his arms and/or berates the poor 4th official ?? I absolutely agree that the majority of a managers work is down during the week of a game, but they still have responsibilities to game manage as well (something le cock is particularly shit at) with changes of tactics/personel and bollocking players where necessary, and to call any managers influence as limited is giving him an unwarranted free pass imo.
We will also agree that the players (wenkers players) need to do more and show more passion and commitment, but they are certainly restricted on what they can do as regards changing the pattern of a game - I have a young lad playing for his league representative under 14 side, and the instructions they receive from their managers are expected to be followed implicitly regardless of whether the instructions are flawed or not, and that to me sums up wenker's style of management. Players game managing and recognizing and altering weaknesses is not tolerated under wenker's regime, so if a tactical system or team selection is screwing us over continually, there is only so much that the players can do to remedy it, and ultimately this must frustrate and wear down the players

The thing I would also question is the suggestion that the protests will not affect wenker's future - what proof do we have on that ? The two year contract offer was publicly known before the protests really went up a level (some might say that the contract offer led to the increased vocal opposition), so the club made the offer before the fans had a chance to influence them. We seem happy to believe some of the stuff in the media from inside the club, so do we believe that there is a drive to change our internal structures and take some power away from le cock ? What do you think may have influenced such a move ? Without doubt I would say that the fans unhappiness at wenker will have played a part in instigating moves for a shake up, and I say that even if wenker ends up staying on

THIS IS THE MAN CITY THREAD, the whole wenger scenario is boring enough without it being on EVERY THREAD, take it elsewhere pleeeease

Great team performance ,let's hope they can keep it up for next Sunday and the 27th may

[Retro Gunner]

Fickle as duck to use the vermin and there we want him to stay on any level
Turn it around and if pocco or whatever is tucking name is had numerous trophy and 20 yrs above us
After 1 season of finishing above you would really want him to stay?
They are doing it to add to the disruption and any proper(a word used a lot on here) gooner should rise above it and not use the vermin and there reverse psychology in any shape or form in my humble opinion

Hello Herbie, glad that you enjoyed it yesterday.

Regarding the scum, do you really believe that their singing about wanting him to stay is only reverse psychology ? You truly think that they dread the idea of him staying, because he's going to lead us to great things ?? You don't think that they see their club as on the "up", while ours has been stagnating for years ?

I suppose what I should ask you is, do you see Wenger leading us to great things in the years ahead ? I certainly don't, because there's absolutely no evidence to suggest he will, so if I were a scum fan, I'd want him around indefinitely.

Tell me, how do you apply your "numerous trophies and 20 yrs" and "one season of finishing above" us argument to Chelsea....because their fans sing it too. Of course, perhaps they don't mean it either, because they must be terrified of Arsene eh?? I wonder if we might hear it being sung on the 27th May ?

The vermin fans hate him as much as you do and stagnate? while they are filling up there trophy cabinet? And Chelsea West ham man city and everyone else do it because of our place as the social media kings of football fuelled by aftv and its celebrity wobs and the wenger out planes and buses billboards and the wenger out banners from all over the world on Twitter and facebook,,you have got what you wanted but my Arsenal skin is thicker than to give a duck what the vermin or anyone else has to say about us and if the chavs beat us on the 27 May I will be to upset about losing the game to give a duck about what there singing,when it comes to Wenger i am only interested in what you or I or any other Arsenal supporter has to say no one else matters I can rise above it

You're only interested in what Arsenal supporters say, yet you brought up the scum singing about wanting him to stay. I only responded to your opinion of that. You may be right about West Ham, Palace etc responding to the fan protests by singing that song, but the scum and Chelsea have been singing it for 5 or 6 years, long before the protests and the AFTV bollocks which have garnered interest this season.

I'm still interested in whether you think the Chavs mean it when they sing it ? Take a look at our record against them since Abramovich arrived (that's 13 or so seasons) and see if that influences your judgement. From where I'm standing, they would love him to stay. Arsenal under Wenger pose no threat at all to the League's big boys. I believe that in the round robin of the top 6 clubs this season, we are stone last. Our record against them all in recent seasons is beyond dire. Of course our rivals want him to stay and that is the biggest indictment of him in my opinion.

[herbert]

I never brought it up
5 or 6 years? Not the vermin
Since abromavich came?you have almost answered your own questions
Crack on with your spurs and Chelsea want this but I couldn't give a duck what they want and don't value there opinion

[northbank123]

Reverse psychology

[herbert]

Reverse psychology

Iyour hatred of wenger is that bad that you truly believe that they want him to stay i
I can picture the scene in a spurs supporting household yesterday all cheering for wenger and arsenal to win
Singing 2 more years