Herd wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:06 pmAbout fucking time thats what I say !
Should have happened 25 years ago and we could have thatcher and her ministers plus graham kelly in the dock too !
There are different levels of culpability here though !
Appalling Policing is one thing ,for that the man in charge should be sacked perhaps some minor charges brought !
Poor condition and design of the ground which the FA Sheff Weds and Others knew about after near misses at the ground is another ,
that's criminal negligence.
The deliberate political suppression and manipulation of the truth is conspiracy.
For me Hillborough and Heysel are different subjects ,keeping to Hillsborough its takenb a long time for the families to get Justice and congratulate them on their vim and vigour in the face of criminal stonewalling these last 28 years !
I agree with that. There was a chain of events that contributed to what happened and many to be held accountable at all levels.
However, what must also be added is the part the LIverpool fans played in the crush. It was well known at the time that Scousers (Liverpool and Everton) used to turn up at games, in numbers, without tickets and try and blag their way in ( see 86 Cup Final where supporters were seen openly climbing up the outside of Wembley to get in).
*Those same supporters, without tickets, who would have been in the pubs drinking for hours beforehand ( and we all did it) and turned up outside the ground 15 minutes before KO and then saw an opportunity to push through the gates when they were opened because of the overcrowding outside, are also to blame as much as those being put in the dock. However, as we all know, it is very politically incorrect to blame Liverpool fans.
For me, Heysel and Hillsborough are very much connected. Same supporters for one, same issue of crushing and same issue of innocent supporters being killed.
Whilst the innocent deserve answers, so they should also be pointing fingers at their own supporters.
* To back up my argument and i know for fact, is that my wifes brother-in-law, and his mates (all scousers) knowingly bought fake tickets and got in to the ground in Istanbul for the CL final