The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

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Remain or leave

Remain
21
31%
Leave
46
69%
 
Total votes: 67

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby olgitgooner » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:40 pm

I'm beginning to agree that this is the worst thread ever. Even though I've enjoyed the jousting.

Nutshell....

Disastrous general election weakens bargaining position. (Thanks to TM thinking she'd get away with a manifesto which fucked off most of the population. Plus Corbyn promising everything to everyone. Opinion polls huh!)

Pro EU bullshit still being spouted by organisations who receive funding from the EU. This includes the CBI.

Similar bullshit still being said in "private" by the Canadian head of the Bank of England. Who's opinions are totally at odds with the previous governor.

The UK economy is doing OK. We have the best unemployment figures since the 1970s. And we didn't have to employ about two million foreign workers in those days.

Nobody actually knows what is going to happen in the future outside of the EU.

Nobody actually knows what would happen in the future if we had voted to remain in the EU.

There are very few predictions which can be convincingly demonstrated. One exception is that about 90% of global economic growth will occur outside of the EU. Another is that UK business with the rest of the EU is shrinking year on year compared to our global trading.

Sorry for the large size nutshell. I really can't be arsed arguing the toss with anyone anymore. So until such time as FACTS are available I will give this topic a swerve. :)

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby A11M11 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:56 pm

Interesting comment in the New Statesman :-
The civil war at the Emirates Stadium – pitting Wenger Out versus Wenger In – is in truth a symptom of a wider disease: the failings of the moneyed game. It is a situation not dissimilar to the United Kingdom’s relationship with the European Union.
Wenger is the status quo – an establishment with visible cracks. But just as Brexit has not proved to be an immediate panacea for all of the UK’s problems, it seems unlikely that Wenger’s departure will provide one for Arsenal’s.

Strange how so many Including me want to see Wenger go but seem ,unlike me , to be scared of the challenge of leaving . It follows that any immediate panacea cannot be seen until we have left , whenever the backstabbing , feet dragging establishment allow that to happen , if at all.

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Gunner Rob » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:04 am

Interesting comment in the New Statesman :-
The civil war at the Emirates Stadium – pitting Wenger Out versus Wenger In – is in truth a symptom of a wider disease: the failings of the moneyed game. It is a situation not dissimilar to the United Kingdom’s relationship with the European Union.
Wenger is the status quo – an establishment with visible cracks. But just as Brexit has not proved to be an immediate panacea for all of the UK’s problems, it seems unlikely that Wenger’s departure will provide one for Arsenal’s.

Strange how so many Including me want to see Wenger go but seem ,unlike me , to be scared of the challenge of leaving . It follows that any immediate panacea cannot be seen until we have left , whenever the backstabbing , feet dragging establishment allow that to happen , if at all.
thats funny I have always felt that you Brexiteers reminded me of the AKB cult.

it is just blind optimism against all known logic and facts. The £350 million to the NHS has already proven to be a lie, the not paying anything to the EU to leave looks like it will be a lie too. Your argument is based on a few conmen who once they had won the referendum made sure they got out of the way sharpish. And yet like the AKBs you still dream of something that will never happen.

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Gunner Rob » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:19 am



The UK economy is doing OK. We have the best unemployment figures since the 1970s. And we didn't have to employ about two million foreign workers in those days.

Nobody actually knows what is going to happen in the future outside of the EU.

Nobody actually knows what would happen in the future if we had voted to remain in the EU.

The UK economy is doing ok because we haven't actually left yet.
Maybe we should therefore continue inside the EU since things are going well ?
After all surely we only would want to leave if things were not going well ?

There have been numerous facts given as to what is very likely to happen when we leave the EU.
I am not going in to them all now, but lets just say that none of them appear to be very optimistic.

Nutshell:

Brexit will mean the average UK worker will become poorer, and institutions such as the NHS will become unsustainable.
Never mind, that's the will of the people apparently.

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Brightonnxtround » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:30 pm

The NHS is unsustainable now ....

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby CloakedGooner » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:47 pm

Interesting comment in the New Statesman :-
The civil war at the Emirates Stadium – pitting Wenger Out versus Wenger In – is in truth a symptom of a wider disease: the failings of the moneyed game. It is a situation not dissimilar to the United Kingdom’s relationship with the European Union.
Wenger is the status quo – an establishment with visible cracks. But just as Brexit has not proved to be an immediate panacea for all of the UK’s problems, it seems unlikely that Wenger’s departure will provide one for Arsenal’s.

Strange how so many Including me want to see Wenger go but seem ,unlike me , to be scared of the challenge of leaving . It follows that any immediate panacea cannot be seen until we have left , whenever the backstabbing , feet dragging establishment allow that to happen , if at all.
thats funny I have always felt that you Brexiteers reminded me of the AKB cult.

it is just blind optimism against all known logic and facts. The £350 million to the NHS has already proven to be a lie, the not paying anything to the EU to leave looks like it will be a lie too. Your argument is based on a few conmen who once they had won the referendum made sure they got out of the way sharpish. And yet like the AKBs you still dream of something that will never happen.
No, it's remainers who are more like AKBs. Can't see that we are getting a bad deal just now and are that scared of change that they would rather just accept getting shafted :roll:

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby CloakedGooner » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:50 pm



The UK economy is doing OK. We have the best unemployment figures since the 1970s. And we didn't have to employ about two million foreign workers in those days.

Nobody actually knows what is going to happen in the future outside of the EU.

Nobody actually knows what would happen in the future if we had voted to remain in the EU.

The UK economy is doing ok because we haven't actually left yet.
Maybe we should therefore continue inside the EU since things are going well ?
After all surely we only would want to leave if things were not going well ?

There have been numerous facts given as to what is very likely to happen when we leave the EU.
I am not going in to them all now, but lets just say that none of them appear to be very optimistic.

Nutshell:

Brexit will mean the average UK worker will become poorer, and institutions such as the NHS will become unsustainable.
Never mind, that's the will of the people apparently.
You think the NHS is sustainable just now?? :lol: massively overburdened, and we are getting a terrible service for what it costs. Biggest waste of tax payers money, they should scrap it and privatise healthcare

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby StuartL » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:16 pm



The UK economy is doing OK. We have the best unemployment figures since the 1970s. And we didn't have to employ about two million foreign workers in those days.

Nobody actually knows what is going to happen in the future outside of the EU.

Nobody actually knows what would happen in the future if we had voted to remain in the EU.

The UK economy is doing ok because we haven't actually left yet.
Maybe we should therefore continue inside the EU since things are going well ?
After all surely we only would want to leave if things were not going well ?

There have been numerous facts given as to what is very likely to happen when we leave the EU.
I am not going in to them all now, but lets just say that none of them appear to be very optimistic.

Nutshell:

Brexit will mean the average UK worker will become poorer, and institutions such as the NHS will become unsustainable.
Never mind, that's the will of the people apparently.
Can a fact be reported as “likely to happen” - surely a fact, is factual not a best guess ?

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Gunner Rob » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:53 am

The NHS is unsustainable now ....
so you are happy for Brexit to kill it off completely then I take it...

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Gunner Rob » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:03 am

Interesting comment in the New Statesman :-
The civil war at the Emirates Stadium – pitting Wenger Out versus Wenger In – is in truth a symptom of a wider disease: the failings of the moneyed game. It is a situation not dissimilar to the United Kingdom’s relationship with the European Union.
Wenger is the status quo – an establishment with visible cracks. But just as Brexit has not proved to be an immediate panacea for all of the UK’s problems, it seems unlikely that Wenger’s departure will provide one for Arsenal’s.

Strange how so many Including me want to see Wenger go but seem ,unlike me , to be scared of the challenge of leaving . It follows that any immediate panacea cannot be seen until we have left , whenever the backstabbing , feet dragging establishment allow that to happen , if at all.
thats funny I have always felt that you Brexiteers reminded me of the AKB cult.

it is just blind optimism against all known logic and facts. The £350 million to the NHS has already proven to be a lie, the not paying anything to the EU to leave looks like it will be a lie too. Your argument is based on a few conmen who once they had won the referendum made sure they got out of the way sharpish. And yet like the AKBs you still dream of something that will never happen.
No, it's remainers who are more like AKBs. Can't see that we are getting a bad deal just now and are that scared of change that they would rather just accept getting shafted :roll:
are you serious ?

we currently have the best deal that we are ever going to get.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42867668

You Brexiteers are destroying the country - traitors the lot of you!

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Brightonnxtround » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:11 am

The NHS is unsustainable now ....
so you are happy for Brexit to kill it off completely then I take it...
I have over the years paid thousands of pounds into the NHS through this country s tax system , and still it s not flourishing,
If it fails will I get my money back Of course not .....
I have paid thousands of pounds into this country s tax system for a future pension
If I die before I’m eligible to draw said pension which at the moment is 66 years old
And I dowt I’ll make it ....... do my family get back what I’ve paid in over the years
No they don’t ....... if I do make it to 66 will I pay tax on my carefully saved company pension , you bet i fuckin will . *word censored*

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Allgunsblazin » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:08 am

Interesting comment in the New Statesman :-
The civil war at the Emirates Stadium – pitting Wenger Out versus Wenger In – is in truth a symptom of a wider disease: the failings of the moneyed game. It is a situation not dissimilar to the United Kingdom’s relationship with the European Union.
Wenger is the status quo – an establishment with visible cracks. But just as Brexit has not proved to be an immediate panacea for all of the UK’s problems, it seems unlikely that Wenger’s departure will provide one for Arsenal’s.

Strange how so many Including me want to see Wenger go but seem ,unlike me , to be scared of the challenge of leaving . It follows that any immediate panacea cannot be seen until we have left , whenever the backstabbing , feet dragging establishment allow that to happen , if at all.
thats funny I have always felt that you Brexiteers reminded me of the AKB cult.

it is just blind optimism against all known logic and facts. The £350 million to the NHS has already proven to be a lie, the not paying anything to the EU to leave looks like it will be a lie too. Your argument is based on a few conmen who once they had won the referendum made sure they got out of the way sharpish. And yet like the AKBs you still dream of something that will never happen.

Cheeky bugger, it's you remoaners that are AKBista's :lol:

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Herd » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:25 am

The problems that plague the NHS are fuck all to do with Brexit but decades of incompetence and part privatisation, by successive governments labour and tory .
I currently work in the NHS sphere and it's a daily clusterfuck of wasteful practices ,I could fill pages with the daily systemic waste to the taxpayer .

Brexit is bieng deliberately fucked up by this government ,and Im convinced more than ever that it wont happen !

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Postby Allgunsblazin » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:35 am

There was a time when Doctors were NHS, over the past. 20 years or so they earn more money on Private duty, so shave their NHS hours to trouser a load of cash with Private Consultations!....
Too many accountants and paper clip wallahs, get rid of those paracites then you might save a fortune and invest where it should be invested in Patient Support...
Brexit as stated above has nothing whatsoever to do with the mire the NHS is in, honestly the more shit you remoaners through to the wall, the more it slides off with your constant daily Fake News.....

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby SPUDMASHER » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:11 pm

The problems that plague the NHS are fuck all to do with Brexit but decades of incompetence and part privatisation, by successive governments labour and tory .
I currently work in the NHS sphere and it's a daily clusterfuck of wasteful practices ,I could fill pages with the daily systemic waste to the taxpayer .

Brexit is bieng deliberately fucked up by this government ,and Im convinced more than ever that it wont happen !
I agree. I think the government plan is to make a hard brexit so unpalatable that a second vote is needed to approve it and the decision gets reversed.
If that does happen it will be a good outcome but a travesty for democracy.
I work in the public sector and I see the waste of resources daily. It makes me mad as hell but when you challenge the status quo you come under immediate fire from the old school and are put back into your box quickly.


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