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Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear

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If it takes the DUP to insist on keeping the triple lock for pensioners and the winter fuel allowance along with stopping the enforcement of people remortgaging their houses for care, for which they have paid their taxes and national insurance contributions, then shame on that woman!
How the hell did she think she was going to win with a landslide majority with her manifesto alienating the silver vote, and to be fair she has alienated the young, and certainly offers nothing for the inbetweeners...
BTW Theresa Urey up girl coz Queenie will not be happy if she misses Royal Ascot shock horror!... :shock:

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flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:07 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear
Yes Labour's vision was so clear that not only once, but on two occasions both the leader and a senior member of his team (Diane Abbott) couldn't quantify the cost of recruiting more police - Corbyn had to refer to an ipad to reveal childcare costing figures.

It's all about perception, Labour didn't run a good campaign just the Tories ran the equivalent of a dogs dinner and as a result of that people flocked to Labour.

Where the Tories got it wrong was not focusing on the Economy and Labour's track record, which quite frankly is abysmal. When they came out with sensible tax related policies in their 2015 manifesto it made a huge difference. The dementia tax was probably the most politically retarded proposal I have seen in years. Talk about burning your candle from both ends!

Another major factor was Social Media, I could probably count on a ratio of 10 to 1 the number of articles/likes/comments that appeared on Facebook in relation to the Labour Party. No doubt that engaged the younger voting population.

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nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:06 am
flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:07 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear
Yes Labour's vision was so clear that not only once, but on two occasions both the leader and a senior member of his team (Diane Abbott) couldn't quantify the cost of recruiting more police - Corbyn had to refer to an ipad to reveal childcare costing figures.

It's all about perception, Labour didn't run a good campaign just the Tories ran the equivalent of a dogs dinner and as a result of that people flocked to Labour.

Where the Tories got it wrong was not focusing on the Economy and Labour's track record, which quite frankly is abysmal. When they came out with sensible tax related policies in their 2015 manifesto it made a huge difference. The dementia tax was probably the most politically retarded proposal I have seen in years. Talk about burning your candle from both ends!

Another major factor was Social Media, I could probably count on a ratio of 10 to 1 the number of articles/likes/comments that appeared on Facebook in relation to the Labour Party. No doubt that engaged the younger voting population.
Agree that Dianne Abbott was a disgrace during the election build up but all politicians are prone to gaffs anyone remember Paxman v Michael Howard interview? Having said that Abbott was not good enough for her role, i like that Corbyn referred to an ipad it is much better to have the fact in front of you than balls it up like Abbott :oops: .

All that said i still think Labour had a clear vision that it ran with which it didnt u turn on, change in any way during the campaign, look weak by shunning televised debates (even though they are b*llocks and just for show, its about perception) and people liked that...... aloing with some of the other things you mentioned

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flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:07 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear

Can't agree that Labour had a clear vision. All Labour did was go after the easy catch by making a series of promises that were unattainable. If they had been elected on that manifesto the country would have been bankrupt within a year. If you recall when Cameron and Clegg took over after Labour they found a note at the treasury addressed to the new regime from the old. It read 'we have no money left'.

Its funny how we look at politics in a different way to how we look at company managers. In business we make decisions. If they're wrong decisions or we have missed something then we stop the process, change it to one that suits and then move on with the new process. Changing our mind is seen as being a strength. We're considered to be flexible and responsive. In politics any change of mind is considered a U-turn and is perceived as a weakness. Surely we have to get to a position where a politician, regardless of party, can put forward a suggestion to the people and then upon realising it isn't what people want, change it. There should be no expectation that they're flawless.
The 20,000 police that the Tories cut is not a true representation at all. Most of those were 'natural wastage' through retirement or career change and most of the rest were Blair's PCSO's (Pointless Completely Stupid Officers). These people were paid marginally less than a police officer but had no powers at all. What a total waste of money that was. For every 100 PCSO's that Blair put on the street he could have actually put 68 full time trained officers. He went for big numbers and sold the country a dummy in doing so. That was when the real cuts to police numbers happened. The actual cuts across the country make up less than 3000 officers. That hasn't had any effect on terrorism at all. It has had an effect on local scrote bastards that indulge in petty crime in our neighbourhoods.

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Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Getting a bit worried over what Democracy is 'supposed' to mean in Britain these days.

It seems it is only valid if the liberal left is running the show and get the right result. We criticise other countries for not being particularly democratic but we have now had two votes with admittedly marginal wins and both times the losers are kicking off like butt hurt little children and the pathetic media are continually stoking the flames.
my faith in democracy has actually been restored by the results of the General Election - it showed that we don't live in a dictatorship and that if people actually get out there and use their vote they can change things.

2015 General Election - Conservatives won a majority so no objections
2017 General Election - Conservatives DID NOT win a majority (big difference) and so yes there are going to be objections. All the Tories have done is increase their vote share a bit like how Arsenal increased their points total this season. Means fuck all and this is why Theresa May is a dead woman walking. She is only still there because the Tories can't work out who to put in her place.

2016 Referendum - this was just an ADVISORY vote unlike a General Election which is legally binding.
It increasingly looks as though people are coming to their senses and realising that it would be a disaster. Things is there has been talk of a move from hard to soft Brexit. I don't think you can have a soft Brexit as the EU won't allow it. If the UK no longer wants a hard Brexit then we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether. Anyway all that fun will happen in the next year :D

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Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 am
GoonerMuzz wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Getting a bit worried over what Democracy is 'supposed' to mean in Britain these days.

It seems it is only valid if the liberal left is running the show and get the right result. We criticise other countries for not being particularly democratic but we have now had two votes with admittedly marginal wins and both times the losers are kicking off like butt hurt little children and the pathetic media are continually stoking the flames.
my faith in democracy has actually been restored by the results of the General Election - it showed that we don't live in a dictatorship and that if people actually get out there and use their vote they can change things.

2015 General Election - Conservatives won a majority so no objections
2017 General Election - Conservatives DID NOT win a majority (big difference) and so yes there are going to be objections. All the Tories have done is increase their vote share a bit like how Arsenal increased their points total this season. Means fuck all and this is why Theresa May is a dead woman walking. She is only still there because the Tories can't work out who to put in her place.

2016 Referendum - this was just an ADVISORY vote unlike a General Election which is legally binding.
It increasingly looks as though people are coming to their senses and realising that it would be a disaster. Things is there has been talk of a move from hard to soft Brexit. I don't think you can have a soft Brexit as the EU won't allow it. If the UK no longer wants a hard Brexit then we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether. Anyway all that fun will happen in the next year :D
Don't vote.It's a totally pointless waste of time.Democracy does not exist.If you want an example just look at the EU referendum.The majority of people voted to leave,but as the vested interests wanted to stay,they firstly ignored the decision,and are now strangling it at birth using apathy and misinformation.Fuck them,don't play their game,DON'T VOTE.

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Rugby Gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:49 am
Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 am
GoonerMuzz wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Getting a bit worried over what Democracy is 'supposed' to mean in Britain these days.

It seems it is only valid if the liberal left is running the show and get the right result. We criticise other countries for not being particularly democratic but we have now had two votes with admittedly marginal wins and both times the losers are kicking off like butt hurt little children and the pathetic media are continually stoking the flames.
my faith in democracy has actually been restored by the results of the General Election - it showed that we don't live in a dictatorship and that if people actually get out there and use their vote they can change things.

2015 General Election - Conservatives won a majority so no objections
2017 General Election - Conservatives DID NOT win a majority (big difference) and so yes there are going to be objections. All the Tories have done is increase their vote share a bit like how Arsenal increased their points total this season. Means fuck all and this is why Theresa May is a dead woman walking. She is only still there because the Tories can't work out who to put in her place.

2016 Referendum - this was just an ADVISORY vote unlike a General Election which is legally binding.
It increasingly looks as though people are coming to their senses and realising that it would be a disaster. Things is there has been talk of a move from hard to soft Brexit. I don't think you can have a soft Brexit as the EU won't allow it. If the UK no longer wants a hard Brexit then we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether. Anyway all that fun will happen in the next year :D
Don't vote.It's a totally pointless waste of time.Democracy does not exist.If you want an example just look at the EU referendum.The majority of people voted to leave,but as the vested interests wanted to stay,they firstly ignored the decision,and are now strangling it at birth using apathy and misinformation.Fuck them,don't play their game,DON'T VOTE.
TOTAL AND UTTER CRAP

If the Conservatives had got their increased majority then Mrs Mayhem would be pressing ahead with her hard Brexit and meeting EU Leaders next week. As it is the leavers have showed at the General Election that they dont really care much for Brexit and so a hard Brexit is increasingly unlikely to happen. That is called democracy.

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SPUDMASHER wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:42 am
flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:07 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear

Can't agree that Labour had a clear vision. All Labour did was go after the easy catch by making a series of promises that were unattainable. If they had been elected on that manifesto the country would have been bankrupt within a year. If you recall when Cameron and Clegg took over after Labour they found a note at the treasury addressed to the new regime from the old. It read 'we have no money left'.

Its funny how we look at politics in a different way to how we look at company managers. In business we make decisions. If they're wrong decisions or we have missed something then we stop the process, change it to one that suits and then move on with the new process. Changing our mind is seen as being a strength. We're considered to be flexible and responsive. In politics any change of mind is considered a U-turn and is perceived as a weakness. Surely we have to get to a position where a politician, regardless of party, can put forward a suggestion to the people and then upon realising it isn't what people want, change it. There should be no expectation that they're flawless.
The 20,000 police that the Tories cut is not a true representation at all. Most of those were 'natural wastage' through retirement or career change and most of the rest were Blair's PCSO's (Pointless Completely Stupid Officers). These people were paid marginally less than a police officer but had no powers at all. What a total waste of money that was. For every 100 PCSO's that Blair put on the street he could have actually put 68 full time trained officers. He went for big numbers and sold the country a dummy in doing so. That was when the real cuts to police numbers happened. The actual cuts across the country make up less than 3000 officers. That hasn't had any effect on terrorism at all. It has had an effect on local scrote bastards that indulge in petty crime in our neighbourhoods.

Yes I was waiting for a reply on the PCSO part of how she got rid of 20,000, but It fell deaf on Corbinista ears along with his huge u turn on the TV debate where at the end he shouted like a buffoon I could stand here all night, after his own goals on the company he kept in the 70's Republican/IRA/Sinn Fein! Mad Mullahs! In fact any lunatic that opposed democracy by bomb gun knife beheadings..
And the huge og when asked if he would retaliate by using our nuclear deterrent if we were under attack, he would use dialogue! But Jeremy we only have four minutes!

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flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:38 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:06 am
flash gunner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:07 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:51 am
The election just gone has to represent a low point in the modern history of this country. Two uninspired parties both without a clear vision or message, the Tories completely alienating themselves from their hardcore vote and young people finally coming out to vote bribed by the prospect of a free 3 year piss up.

Dont agree that both parties had an unclear vision. Like the message or not Labour had a very clear vision which is one of the reasons they gained so many votes.

Mays u turning, lack of a visible strong leadership and the FACT she cut 20,000 police while Terrorism has flourished cost her dear
Yes Labour's vision was so clear that not only once, but on two occasions both the leader and a senior member of his team (Diane Abbott) couldn't quantify the cost of recruiting more police - Corbyn had to refer to an ipad to reveal childcare costing figures.

It's all about perception, Labour didn't run a good campaign just the Tories ran the equivalent of a dogs dinner and as a result of that people flocked to Labour.

Where the Tories got it wrong was not focusing on the Economy and Labour's track record, which quite frankly is abysmal. When they came out with sensible tax related policies in their 2015 manifesto it made a huge difference. The dementia tax was probably the most politically retarded proposal I have seen in years. Talk about burning your candle from both ends!

Another major factor was Social Media, I could probably count on a ratio of 10 to 1 the number of articles/likes/comments that appeared on Facebook in relation to the Labour Party. No doubt that engaged the younger voting population.
Agree that Dianne Abbott was a disgrace during the election build up but all politicians are prone to gaffs anyone remember Paxman v Michael Howard interview? Having said that Abbott was not good enough for her role, i like that Corbyn referred to an ipad it is much better to have the fact in front of you than balls it up like Abbott :oops: .

All that said i still think Labour had a clear vision that it ran with which it didnt u turn on, change in any way during the campaign, look weak by shunning televised debates (even though they are b*llocks and just for show, its about perception) and people liked that...... aloing with some of the other things you mentioned
The thing is this wasn't a grilling by Paxman, it was a radio program where he was asked a straight question. He couldn't give an answer without referring to his iPad. Given childcare is a major issue in this country, those figures should have been ingrained in his head to regurgitate at a moments notice.

But as usual despite saying the manifesto was fully costed, Labour can't put their hand on their hearts and say we won't be in the shit again after another Labour term in office. It happened in 1976 with an IMF bailout and that famous note from the outgoing Treasury minister saying there is no money left in 2010.

The younger voters haven't seen hyper inflation, high unemployment or the winter of discontent all caused by socialistic policies that have been proven never to work down the years. Greece being a perfect modern day example of a bloated bankrupt state.

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Greece went bankrupt because of pure corruption within itself and the EU thus showing what a rotten institution it is !
The Federalist German driven EU was desperate for people to sign up to the euro so it let Greece and others join the euro knowing full well they didn't meet the criteria offering massive bribes in the form of loans for "Infrastructure" building .
In Greece that means that certain individuals pocketed loads of money as the contracts get handed out and little gets done to move the countries economy forward but they got nice trains .
The problem comes when the country has to pay the loans back and Bingo the shit hits the fan as it also has in Portugal and Ireland to name just 2 .
The EU then moves in and takes over your economy and makes you sell off anything in state assets you have for peanuts to one of their mates whilst the good people of Greece have to bite the bullet and suffer for the sins of the rich.
This has fuck all to do with Socialism or Jeremy Corn Cob and has everything to do with the fat bloated and corrupt Federalist Globalist EU juggernaut that seeks to make slaves of us all.
As usual Old nutty cant get his noggin round it !

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I'll accept the 10 votes to prop Mayhem up...
Waking up to Corbinov in charge of the nation reminded me of another 2 years on top of 10 years in Purgatory with Wenger.... :shock:

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Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:08 am
Rugby Gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:49 am
Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 am
GoonerMuzz wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Getting a bit worried over what Democracy is 'supposed' to mean in Britain these days.

It seems it is only valid if the liberal left is running the show and get the right result. We criticise other countries for not being particularly democratic but we have now had two votes with admittedly marginal wins and both times the losers are kicking off like butt hurt little children and the pathetic media are continually stoking the flames.
my faith in democracy has actually been restored by the results of the General Election - it showed that we don't live in a dictatorship and that if people actually get out there and use their vote they can change things.

2015 General Election - Conservatives won a majority so no objections
2017 General Election - Conservatives DID NOT win a majority (big difference) and so yes there are going to be objections. All the Tories have done is increase their vote share a bit like how Arsenal increased their points total this season. Means fuck all and this is why Theresa May is a dead woman walking. She is only still there because the Tories can't work out who to put in her place.

2016 Referendum - this was just an ADVISORY vote unlike a General Election which is legally binding.
It increasingly looks as though people are coming to their senses and realising that it would be a disaster. Things is there has been talk of a move from hard to soft Brexit. I don't think you can have a soft Brexit as the EU won't allow it. If the UK no longer wants a hard Brexit then we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether. Anyway all that fun will happen in the next year :D
Don't vote.It's a totally pointless waste of time.Democracy does not exist.If you want an example just look at the EU referendum.The majority of people voted to leave,but as the vested interests wanted to stay,they firstly ignored the decision,and are now strangling it at birth using apathy and misinformation.Fuck them,don't play their game,DON'T VOTE.
TOTAL AND UTTER CRAP

If the Conservatives had got their increased majority then Mrs Mayhem would be pressing ahead with her hard Brexit and meeting EU Leaders next week. As it is the leavers have showed at the General Election that they dont really care much for Brexit and so a hard Brexit is increasingly unlikely to happen. That is called democracy.
You said yourself in an above post that,"we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether." How is that "democratic" ?
I used to be really involved in politics,but gradually realised that the Establishment status quo always prevails no matter what the "people" want.
This has proved to be the case in the utter contempt the leave vote has/is being treated.
Why campaign and/or vote for something when any decision arrived at can just be trashed by the entitled,metropolitan vested interests.
The only way for ordinary people to effect change is to avoid the ballot box,which is just a device to make them feel that they have a say,and organise and protest separately from the forces that patronise and control them.

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Rugby Gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:12 am
Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:08 am
Rugby Gooner wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:49 am
Gunner Rob wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 am
GoonerMuzz wrote:
Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Getting a bit worried over what Democracy is 'supposed' to mean in Britain these days.

It seems it is only valid if the liberal left is running the show and get the right result. We criticise other countries for not being particularly democratic but we have now had two votes with admittedly marginal wins and both times the losers are kicking off like butt hurt little children and the pathetic media are continually stoking the flames.
my faith in democracy has actually been restored by the results of the General Election - it showed that we don't live in a dictatorship and that if people actually get out there and use their vote they can change things.

2015 General Election - Conservatives won a majority so no objections
2017 General Election - Conservatives DID NOT win a majority (big difference) and so yes there are going to be objections. All the Tories have done is increase their vote share a bit like how Arsenal increased their points total this season. Means fuck all and this is why Theresa May is a dead woman walking. She is only still there because the Tories can't work out who to put in her place.

2016 Referendum - this was just an ADVISORY vote unlike a General Election which is legally binding.
It increasingly looks as though people are coming to their senses and realising that it would be a disaster. Things is there has been talk of a move from hard to soft Brexit. I don't think you can have a soft Brexit as the EU won't allow it. If the UK no longer wants a hard Brexit then we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether. Anyway all that fun will happen in the next year :D
Don't vote.It's a totally pointless waste of time.Democracy does not exist.If you want an example just look at the EU referendum.The majority of people voted to leave,but as the vested interests wanted to stay,they firstly ignored the decision,and are now strangling it at birth using apathy and misinformation.Fuck them,don't play their game,DON'T VOTE.
TOTAL AND UTTER CRAP

If the Conservatives had got their increased majority then Mrs Mayhem would be pressing ahead with her hard Brexit and meeting EU Leaders next week. As it is the leavers have showed at the General Election that they dont really care much for Brexit and so a hard Brexit is increasingly unlikely to happen. That is called democracy.
You said yourself in an above post that,"we will just have to abandon Brexit altogether." How is that "democratic" ?
I used to be really involved in politics,but gradually realised that the Establishment status quo always prevails no matter what the "people" want.
This has proved to be the case in the utter contempt the leave vote has/is being treated.
Why campaign and/or vote for something when any decision arrived at can just be trashed by the entitled,metropolitan vested interests.
The only way for ordinary people to effect change is to avoid the ballot box,which is just a device to make them feel that they have a say,and organise and protest separately from the forces that patronise and control them.
well I would like it to be abandoned but as far as I am aware it is still going ahead.
the thing is you leavers had the opportunity last week to vote for the hardest Brexit imaginable and yet you blew it! :lol: :lol:

I think that if you wanted Brexit to happen straight away you should have kept Nigel Farage from walking away.
The problem I always had with the leavers is that you never actually had a plan in case the UK voted for Brexit, and so the reason it has all been a bit of a mess since. I can't see how anything has been undemocratic though. You just dont like the fact that the remainers are fighting back.

well as you lot said last summer - suck it up

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Question ...............What is Hard Brexit or Soft Brexit,????????? Answer No one has a fucking clue !

Theresa May and her gang don't want Brexit ,Jeremy Corbyn hasn't a plan for it as he didn't expect to be and hasnt been elected .

U think the DUP knows ..............nope !

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