Honestly this thread resembles a "Keep Wenger In" with apologists seeming to think that the world will end without being in Europe!...flash gunner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:29 pmNo its not.....
Come on guys "Grow a pair"....
Honestly this thread resembles a "Keep Wenger In" with apologists seeming to think that the world will end without being in Europe!...flash gunner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:29 pmNo its not.....
That's a new one calling remainers bigots, I thought it was the other way round.......GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:15 pmWell done Nutty you totally failed to miss the point, that's the problem with bigots, can't ever see they have become what they accuse others of.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:07 pmHa, nothing like the pot calling the kettle black. Muzz, I would add delusion to some of the crap the brexiteers come out with. It's not even thought out, just like say something that sounds good and hope people believe you. The stuff about our currency a few weeks ago was truly comical, a bit like bungling Boris ever becoming our next PM. If you ever watch Sky News you will see clearly the brains in the family fall with his sister.GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:51 pmRob i'll give you your due you are single minded in argument, blinkered but single minded
Every single argument you and Rob put forward is based on economical analysis from pro-remain organisations, thats no different from the arguments put forward from the pro-brexit camp. Yet your arguments must be true and everyone who denies them is a simpleton, the number of times others on here have put forward arguments or articles in opposition to your own that you have totally ignored or belittled is startling. Yet i don't think one Brexit voter on here has argued that econmically times will probably be difficult post Brexit.
On the other hand you have both time and time again ducked out of any discussion of the ills of the EU which are non-economic. I seem to remember a few weeks ago you both tried to imply that the EU is not seeking more and more power being centralised to Brussels, this was only a week or so after Junckers State of the Union speech which had covered exactly that, implementation of an EU Army, Election of a full EU President, introduction of an EU finance minister and possible introduction of European Social Security Cards allowing the EU to directly monitor wages across the block and payments being made for tax and national insurance within member states.
So yes you are both blinkered and are flogging a one trick pony to death. You are also both as bigoted as the ultra-nationalist who want Brexit at any cost and this is shown by your constant derision of Brexit voters being 'thick' and 'having no understanding of what they voted for'.
Each person voted for reasons that were based on their view of the EU as a whole, there is no right or wrong in this no matter how much the bigots on both sides want to pretend there is.
Just for the record i know of 3 people who voted remain at my work who have become disillusioned in the last year and would now vote leave if the referendum was run again so it works both ways on both sides, some who voted leave have changed their minds and some who voted remain have also done so.
Taking back control Brexit style
Since when did the Bank of England get it's guesswork right?
you are probably right it is a piss poor attitude but the trouble how else is the truth going to enter your thick heads.olgitgooner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amSince when did the Bank of England get it's guesswork right?
Prior to this they were guessing 10,000 job losses over a three year period. And before that they were guessing an immediate and severe recession following the Brexit vote. Load of old shit. There may well be job losses in the thousands. Tough. There will still be about a million jobs in the finance industry. London will remain the financial capital of the world. There may even be an overall increase in jobs due to a rise in non EU business. Nobody actually knows.
Earlier in this thread there was another laughable bit of guesswork in the shape of a Guardian editorial. How very surprising. Here is a meaningless opinion poll to offset the other meaningless opinion polls .....
http://www.westmonster.com/just-12-want ... on-brexit/
I firmly believe the UK will be far better off outside the EU. We may even be saving Europe from itself. Again.
Finally, Rob, your "stupid " remark. I don't care if it was aimed at me personally or (as you say) aimed at Brexiteers in general. The inference is that you are more intelligent than people who disagree with your opinion. Which, in my book, is a piss poor attitude.
It would be a boring old world if we all agreed with each other about everything.
Spuddy why did you have get involved?SPUDMASHER wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:45 pmI've maintained throughout this whole Brexit process that the average man in the street isn't intelligent enough to vote on such a matter.
Most that voted to leave did so on the back of a load of old nonsense about immigration and the Daily Mail's take on the Eurozone. Those are just 2 of more than a thousand different factors that need to be considered. Is there a single Brexiteer out there that can honestly say they considered the effect on the common fisheries policy, or the agriculture policy?........ Don't lie now, you know you have no idea how they are affected.
So what will the outcome be for those wise old sages that thought Johnny Foreigner was going to get it shoved up 'em by the good old Brits?
Well, you'll still have all the same rules on freedom of movement because the government is too frightened not to agree to it.
You'll still have European laws that you hate so much as they'll all be enshrined in British Law.
But there is one clear difference................ currently we get a say in all that, we're not going to after April 2019. The rest of Europe will be deciding it all for us behind closed doors.
Thanks for that!
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.Gunner Rob wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:47 pmyou are probably right it is a piss poor attitude but the trouble how else is the truth going to enter your thick heads.olgitgooner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amSince when did the Bank of England get it's guesswork right?
Prior to this they were guessing 10,000 job losses over a three year period. And before that they were guessing an immediate and severe recession following the Brexit vote. Load of old shit. There may well be job losses in the thousands. Tough. There will still be about a million jobs in the finance industry. London will remain the financial capital of the world. There may even be an overall increase in jobs due to a rise in non EU business. Nobody actually knows.
Earlier in this thread there was another laughable bit of guesswork in the shape of a Guardian editorial. How very surprising. Here is a meaningless opinion poll to offset the other meaningless opinion polls .....
http://www.westmonster.com/just-12-want ... on-brexit/
I firmly believe the UK will be far better off outside the EU. We may even be saving Europe from itself. Again.
Finally, Rob, your "stupid " remark. I don't care if it was aimed at me personally or (as you say) aimed at Brexiteers in general. The inference is that you are more intelligent than people who disagree with your opinion. Which, in my book, is a piss poor attitude.
It would be a boring old world if we all agreed with each other about everything.
yet again you come up with the "Nobody actually knows" bollocks.
the fact is that there are plenty of experts who actually do know and are being proved right, despite constant denials from Brexiters.
and meanwhile what has happened to your great leader, St Nigel ? Is he in hiding ?
oh and what happened to the eurozone? wasn't it expected to have collapsed by now?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 28891.html
wake up and stop embarrassing yourself. you are fighting a losing battle.
A11M11 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:07 pmLong time ago around referendum time , I voiced concerns about both the CAP and the fisheries policy but then again being from the countryside and coast as my title suggests, it has been of interest to both myself and the area that I live in which voted 60/40 to leave.
Primarily these reasons were uppermost in the vote as although we suffer from unemployment and low wages apart from areas like Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft we are not blessed with a migration problem but where we do unfortunately the problems that are reported elsewhere are beginning to manifest themselves here as well.
The policies that you highlighted were the driving force behind that vote. As I argued with both Rob and Nutflush there is a lot more to this country than the London bubble and as much as we appreciate things might get a little harder for those in the capital in the short term , we however see our local economies improving as the farm land can be used to grow crops that we want to grow as opposed to the ones that Brussels allows and of course the unbelievable marine wastage of the fisheries policy will allow fish stocks to be managed properly intead of being hoovered up by factory ships which then throw the catch which exceeds the quota back into the sea to rot.
Thats not truenut flush gooner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:22 amA11M11 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:07 pmLong time ago around referendum time , I voiced concerns about both the CAP and the fisheries policy but then again being from the countryside and coast as my title suggests, it has been of interest to both myself and the area that I live in which voted 60/40 to leave.
Primarily these reasons were uppermost in the vote as although we suffer from unemployment and low wages apart from areas like Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft we are not blessed with a migration problem but where we do unfortunately the problems that are reported elsewhere are beginning to manifest themselves here as well.
The policies that you highlighted were the driving force behind that vote. As I argued with both Rob and Nutflush there is a lot more to this country than the London bubble and as much as we appreciate things might get a little harder for those in the capital in the short term , we however see our local economies improving as the farm land can be used to grow crops that we want to grow as opposed to the ones that Brussels allows and of course the unbelievable marine wastage of the fisheries policy will allow fish stocks to be managed properly intead of being hoovered up by factory ships which then throw the catch which exceeds the quota back into the sea to rot.
And that's the reason why the vote shouldn't have been given to the people. Rather than taking a holistic view of whether it was better for the whole country, you have isolated two industries that form less than 1% each respectively of the UK economy. Then in the next paragraph, you go on about the London bubble, so your vote was as much a dig at London as the EU really. You don't care that London as a micro-economy produces far more revenue in taxes than it takes out of the governments' coffers. That surplus money being spent across the country on public services. Hell, why do you even support a London football team if you have that attitude, every time you come into Islington you are surrounded by millions of remainers. Sounds like a fate worse than death based on what some people have said in this thread.
With regards to fishing, and I admit I had to do some research about this, it's not even clear cut that Brexit will have a positive effect on our fishing industry. Yes we will get out waters back, but according to this ft article we (the English fisherman) obtain a significant volume of our catch in Norwegian, French and Irish waters. That is to satisfy demand in the UK. I can just see all these countries offering us tariff-free access to their waters post brexit, not.
https://www.ft.com/content/84f51c84-5fe ... 2f7ee26895
Then you come out with a quote "we are not blessed with a migration problem but where we do unfortunately the problems that are reported elsewhere are beginning to manifest themselves here as well". Come on spit it out, tell me what you mean by "problems". All I can see here is a tad of veiled xenophobia.