Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Rob Admin]

He's been found out, no doubt about it.

[falkirk goon]

I voted that he would be an utter furcking disaster and that's how it is indeed playing out
One cup with Emery's team is all he has to show for nearly 700 mill It's like Le fartpipe never left the building with his subs his tactics and his limpdick defeats We never get a bad result in isolation do we? It's always a run of bad results..That to me says all we need to know about the lack of mental strength we have as a club.Lost the last 3..and could lose a few more the way we're playing..Palarse H Forest A and then dippers home are our next 3 I think it's a point or 2 from those 3 He's got to go the cement haired arsehole.

[the playing mantis]

He ain't going anywhere, he's 'elite' in the eyes of most fans, influential bloggers and social media.

[IW8Goalmachine]

I voted that he would be an utter furcking disaster and that's how it is indeed playing out
One cup with Emery's team is all he has to show for nearly 700 mill It's like Le fartpipe never left the building with his subs his tactics and his limpdick defeats We never get a bad result in isolation do we? It's always a run of bad results..That to me says all we need to know about the lack of mental strength we have as a club.Lost the last 3..and could lose a few more the way we're playing..Palarse H Forest A and then dippers home are our next 3 I think it's a point or 2 from those 3 He's got to go the cement haired arsehole.

Sounds uncomfortable

[Gunner Rob]

He ain't going anywhere, he's 'elite' in the eyes of most fans, influential bloggers and social media.

I’m not sure anymore.
That’s ONE win in 7 in all competitions.

This isn’t Wenger we are talking about - who always had the luck and class as a manager to win the games he needed to stay in a job.
Arteta is nowhere near his level and I don’t think he had a clue about how to turn things around.
This could get pretty ugly in the coming weeks.

[Perryashburtongroves]

He got lucky for large parts of last season as happens when a managers ends up with a group of players who have all hit form at the right time. Some managers get that but the reality is more closely aligned to the April/May collapses of 2022 and 2023 and right now. It's the fact that when things aren't working, nothing seems to change. We play one way, with one set of players and if it doesn't work, we're fucked. He's been worked out and teams just sit back, give us the ball and wait for an opening as they know, we won't put a finishing touch to all the possession. It's so fucking easy to predict. If we don't score early, teams just catch us on the break or wait for a set piece. It's so fucking simple and nothing ever changes. There's never a change in tactic or a new approach, just the same pass, pass, pass bollox that reeks like the rotting fucking corpse of 2008-18. Players out of form getting game after game whilst others sit on the bench wasting their lives, shit substitutions with no time left- fucking 90 seconds for ESR and Trossard tonight. Fucking hell, like the days of lobbing Bendtner and Oxlade-Chamberlain when we were two down or worse and the game was long gone. It's all painfully similair to the lost, wasted years under Wanker. Decent players going backwards, losing form and not doing it when it matters. Always two and three players away from really challenging and being taken seriously. This side needs a proper fucking goal scorer. Fuck me, how many times did we say that between 2008 and about 2018? Apart from Van Persie, we never had a goalscore who could work with decent players. By the time we had Sanchez, it was mostly fucking dross.
We're back to where we were with Hleb turning in circles , trying to flick passes through 10 defenders for Chamakh or Walcott to scuff wide or straight at the keeper. How did he think this was going to work? We'd get Rice in to drive the midfield, Ødergaard to pass it wide and then what? Saka to always cut inside and curl it into the far post or Martinelli to cut inside and curl it in at the far post? Every time? Fucking hell. It's painful. Teams have worked it out, they know we're not a threat so, just sit deep and block the area. We'll never create anything. It has to be a brilliant goal for us to score. You don't win anything that way. You win titles and cups with a striker tapping them in, heading them in from five yards or kneeing it in at the back post in injury time. You don't win things with 60 fucking mishit shots and one fucking goal in three fucking matches. Again, how can he not fucking see this? How did he think Havertz was going to help? It's that fucking saviour complex that Wanker had- "Oh, he was shit somewhere else but I'll get the best out of him, I'll turn him into a world class player. I'll show them all." No, you fucking won't. He'll still be shit but wasting £65m on him means you've effectively fucking ended any chance of being able to get the one fucking position fixed that we fucking need.
Fucking hell, tonight was like one of those peak Wanker Cup exits at places like Sunderland or Stoke when you watched it and just knew we weren't going to score. That we'd play right into the "Arsenal play good football but lack a cutting edge" line. It's all so fucking predictable now, so fucking boring and clear to see. Get the goal scoring problem solved or change the fucking way we play. This isn't working.
We've got away with it from the very beginning of the season- Forest at home, Palace away, Fulham at home, Scum at home, Man Utd at home, Brentford and Luton away, Brighton and Wolves at home and then done nothing when points were there for the taking at Newcastle, Fulham and Villa. We've been out played by West Ham at home and should have probably come away with nothing from the dippers. The tactics and approach to the matches never takes the opposition into account, we play the same way regardless of who we face. Teams know that and adapt, it was the same under Wanker, it's the same now and that's the difference when it matters. We don't turn a poor performance into a win or grab a draw from the jaws of a defeat. We have to have a perfect performance or hope the opposition play badly. That only works for a while and it worked from August-December 2022 and then from January-February 2022. It hasn't happened since.
Then, we've got the selection issues. The fucking needless mess with Raya and Ramsdale, the left-back problem, the Saka and Martinelli form issue, the ESR absence, the Havertz problem, the Jesus not a goalscorer problem, the Nketiah not a goalscorer problem, the Trossard on the bench or playing as a sort of weird left wing/ left back/ sometimes an attacking central midfielder or at times defending in the box at set pieces. What is the man supposed to do? Has anyone been clear with him? Isn't he the sort of player that could turn a game and nick us something? There are players there that need to go and who aren't good enough. It's not a nice conversation with them but to be perfectly honest, Nketiah, Jorginho, Kiwior, probably Nelson and Vieira need to be sold. Get rid and put the money towards a fucking goalscorer. They aren't good enough to come in and get us a result when we need it and we aren't good enough to be able to hide or carry them just as squad players. When you've got Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Campbell, Vieira and Gilberto, you can carry the odd average player but we don't have that quality. They have to go because we need to raise funds for a striker. It's a simple, hard nosed decision. It's a results business, it's a win the game business, not a fucking hippie commune, so get them sold. Top class managers get the job done. They make unemotional decisions because they can see what's needed and how to get there. We haven't had that since George Graham in the late 80s. We need a manager who doesn't give a fuck, who looks at a squad and tears it up to get things won, who knows how to build a squad through planning and experience, not through some fucking idea from a coaching course in Wales or by watching someone else do it for a while. It's not the Open fucking University, we're not a fucking vocational training centre, we're a fucking football club that needs a proper manager and proper idea of how to fucking win. We've had a go with Arteta, it's not going to work and he's not the man to improve us to an extent where we can win league titles. He's done the Jon of putting us back on some sort of path and got some identity and pride back into the club but now, he needs moving on before he starts causing Wanker-like damage. Get a replacement lined up, get it done in June because someone else with a better management style might just be able to do something with this squad.

[SteveO 35]

The end

Get the fuck out

4 years in charge and over 500m spent to leave us with Nketiah, Havertz or Jesus as our CF options, and Ben White, kiwior, Zinchenko or Tomiyasu as full backs

Just go now. The process ends here with another potless season that fizzles out with a cluster of defeats. Leaderless limpdicks

He has spent just under £700m Steve

Staggering, and even more so when in Emery's first season he got 40m and reached a European final and finished a point off the CL places. The same owners who refused him the 60m for Zaha and instead went with Mister Resale Value himself (you know, the one we ended up paying to go to Turkey!), now seem perfectly happen to sanction 60m moves for the likes of Havertz

The difference in treatment between the two managers defies belief doesn't it

Just proves bullshit baffles Kroenke. I'm sure Legohead's amateur attempts at being some sort of motivational guru and theologist have been a major factor in him bluffing his way past Kroenke Jr. Poor old Dick didn't have the same linguistic skills, but honestly which of the two would you prefer now?

[falkirk goon]

He got lucky for large parts of last season as happens when a managers ends up with a group of players who have all hit form at the right time. Some managers get that but the reality is more closely aligned to the April/May collapses of 2022 and 2023 and right now. It's the fact that when things aren't working, nothing seems to change. We play one way, with one set of players and if it doesn't work, we're fucked. He's been worked out and teams just sit back, give us the ball and wait for an opening as they know, we won't put a finishing touch to all the possession. It's so fucking easy to predict. If we don't score early, teams just catch us on the break or wait for a set piece. It's so fucking simple and nothing ever changes. There's never a change in tactic or a new approach, just the same pass, pass, pass bollox that reeks like the rotting fucking corpse of 2008-18. Players out of form getting game after game whilst others sit on the bench wasting their lives, shit substitutions with no time left- fucking 90 seconds for ESR and Trossard tonight. Fucking hell, like the days of lobbing Bendtner and Oxlade-Chamberlain when we were two down or worse and the game was long gone. It's all painfully similair to the lost, wasted years under Wanker. Decent players going backwards, losing form and not doing it when it matters. Always two and three players away from really challenging and being taken seriously. This side needs a proper fucking goal scorer. Fuck me, how many times did we say that between 2008 and about 2018? Apart from Van Persie, we never had a goalscore who could work with decent players. By the time we had Sanchez, it was mostly fucking dross.
We're back to where we were with Hleb turning in circles , trying to flick passes through 10 defenders for Chamakh or Walcott to scuff wide or straight at the keeper. How did he think this was going to work? We'd get Rice in to drive the midfield, Ødergaard to pass it wide and then what? Saka to always cut inside and curl it into the far post or Martinelli to cut inside and curl it in at the far post? Every time? Fucking hell. It's painful. Teams have worked it out, they know we're not a threat so, just sit deep and block the area. We'll never create anything. It has to be a brilliant goal for us to score. You don't win anything that way. You win titles and cups with a striker tapping them in, heading them in from five yards or kneeing it in at the back post in injury time. You don't win things with 60 fucking mishit shots and one fucking goal in three fucking matches. Again, how can he not fucking see this? How did he think Havertz was going to help? It's that fucking saviour complex that Wanker had- "Oh, he was shit somewhere else but I'll get the best out of him, I'll turn him into a world class player. I'll show them all." No, you fucking won't. He'll still be shit but wasting £65m on him means you've effectively fucking ended any chance of being able to get the one fucking position fixed that we fucking need.
Fucking hell, tonight was like one of those peak Wanker Cup exits at places like Sunderland or Stoke when you watched it and just knew we weren't going to score. That we'd play right into the "Arsenal play good football but lack a cutting edge" line. It's all so fucking predictable now, so fucking boring and clear to see. Get the goal scoring problem solved or change the fucking way we play. This isn't working.
We've got away with it from the very beginning of the season- Forest at home, Palace away, Fulham at home, Scum at home, Man Utd at home, Brentford and Luton away, Brighton and Wolves at home and then done nothing when points were there for the taking at Newcastle, Fulham and Villa. We've been out played by West Ham at home and should have probably come away with nothing from the dippers. The tactics and approach to the matches never takes the opposition into account, we play the same way regardless of who we face. Teams know that and adapt, it was the same under Wanker, it's the same now and that's the difference when it matters. We don't turn a poor performance into a win or grab a draw from the jaws of a defeat. We have to have a perfect performance or hope the opposition play badly. That only works for a while and it worked from August-December 2022 and then from January-February 2022. It hasn't happened since.
Then, we've got the selection issues. The fucking needless mess with Raya and Ramsdale, the left-back problem, the Saka and Martinelli form issue, the ESR absence, the Havertz problem, the Jesus not a goalscorer problem, the Nketiah not a goalscorer problem, the Trossard on the bench or playing as a sort of weird left wing/ left back/ sometimes an attacking central midfielder or at times defending in the box at set pieces. What is the man supposed to do? Has anyone been clear with him? Isn't he the sort of player that could turn a game and nick us something? There are players there that need to go and who aren't good enough. It's not a nice conversation with them but to be perfectly honest, Nketiah, Jorginho, Kiwior, probably Nelson and Vieira need to be sold. Get rid and put the money towards a fucking goalscorer. They aren't good enough to come in and get us a result when we need it and we aren't good enough to be able to hide or carry them just as squad players. When you've got Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Campbell, Vieira and Gilberto, you can carry the odd average player but we don't have that quality. They have to go because we need to raise funds for a striker. It's a simple, hard nosed decision. It's a results business, it's a win the game business, not a fucking hippie commune, so get them sold. Top class managers get the job done. They make unemotional decisions because they can see what's needed and how to get there. We haven't had that since George Graham in the late 80s. We need a manager who doesn't give a fuck, who looks at a squad and tears it up to get things won, who knows how to build a squad through planning and experience, not through some fucking idea from a coaching course in Wales or by watching someone else do it for a while. It's not the Open fucking University, we're not a fucking vocational training centre, we're a fucking football club that needs a proper manager and proper idea of how to fucking win. We've had a go with Arteta, it's not going to work and he's not the man to improve us to an extent where we can win league titles. He's done the Jon of putting us back on some sort of path and got some identity and pride back into the club but now, he needs moving on before he starts causing Wanker-like damage. Get a replacement lined up, get it done in June because someone else with a better management style might just be able to do something with this squad.

Fucking absolutely fantastic post

[Retro Gunner]

He got lucky for large parts of last season as happens when a managers ends up with a group of players who have all hit form at the right time. Some managers get that but the reality is more closely aligned to the April/May collapses of 2022 and 2023 and right now. It's the fact that when things aren't working, nothing seems to change. We play one way, with one set of players and if it doesn't work, we're fucked. He's been worked out and teams just sit back, give us the ball and wait for an opening as they know, we won't put a finishing touch to all the possession. It's so fucking easy to predict. If we don't score early, teams just catch us on the break or wait for a set piece. It's so fucking simple and nothing ever changes. There's never a change in tactic or a new approach, just the same pass, pass, pass bollox that reeks like the rotting fucking corpse of 2008-18. Players out of form getting game after game whilst others sit on the bench wasting their lives, shit substitutions with no time left- fucking 90 seconds for ESR and Trossard tonight. Fucking hell, like the days of lobbing Bendtner and Oxlade-Chamberlain when we were two down or worse and the game was long gone. It's all painfully similair to the lost, wasted years under Wanker. Decent players going backwards, losing form and not doing it when it matters. Always two and three players away from really challenging and being taken seriously. This side needs a proper fucking goal scorer. Fuck me, how many times did we say that between 2008 and about 2018? Apart from Van Persie, we never had a goalscore who could work with decent players. By the time we had Sanchez, it was mostly fucking dross.
We're back to where we were with Hleb turning in circles , trying to flick passes through 10 defenders for Chamakh or Walcott to scuff wide or straight at the keeper. How did he think this was going to work? We'd get Rice in to drive the midfield, Ødergaard to pass it wide and then what? Saka to always cut inside and curl it into the far post or Martinelli to cut inside and curl it in at the far post? Every time? Fucking hell. It's painful. Teams have worked it out, they know we're not a threat so, just sit deep and block the area. We'll never create anything. It has to be a brilliant goal for us to score. You don't win anything that way. You win titles and cups with a striker tapping them in, heading them in from five yards or kneeing it in at the back post in injury time. You don't win things with 60 fucking mishit shots and one fucking goal in three fucking matches. Again, how can he not fucking see this? How did he think Havertz was going to help? It's that fucking saviour complex that Wanker had- "Oh, he was shit somewhere else but I'll get the best out of him, I'll turn him into a world class player. I'll show them all." No, you fucking won't. He'll still be shit but wasting £65m on him means you've effectively fucking ended any chance of being able to get the one fucking position fixed that we fucking need.
Fucking hell, tonight was like one of those peak Wanker Cup exits at places like Sunderland or Stoke when you watched it and just knew we weren't going to score. That we'd play right into the "Arsenal play good football but lack a cutting edge" line. It's all so fucking predictable now, so fucking boring and clear to see. Get the goal scoring problem solved or change the fucking way we play. This isn't working.
We've got away with it from the very beginning of the season- Forest at home, Palace away, Fulham at home, Scum at home, Man Utd at home, Brentford and Luton away, Brighton and Wolves at home and then done nothing when points were there for the taking at Newcastle, Fulham and Villa. We've been out played by West Ham at home and should have probably come away with nothing from the dippers. The tactics and approach to the matches never takes the opposition into account, we play the same way regardless of who we face. Teams know that and adapt, it was the same under Wanker, it's the same now and that's the difference when it matters. We don't turn a poor performance into a win or grab a draw from the jaws of a defeat. We have to have a perfect performance or hope the opposition play badly. That only works for a while and it worked from August-December 2022 and then from January-February 2022. It hasn't happened since.
Then, we've got the selection issues. The fucking needless mess with Raya and Ramsdale, the left-back problem, the Saka and Martinelli form issue, the ESR absence, the Havertz problem, the Jesus not a goalscorer problem, the Nketiah not a goalscorer problem, the Trossard on the bench or playing as a sort of weird left wing/ left back/ sometimes an attacking central midfielder or at times defending in the box at set pieces. What is the man supposed to do? Has anyone been clear with him? Isn't he the sort of player that could turn a game and nick us something? There are players there that need to go and who aren't good enough. It's not a nice conversation with them but to be perfectly honest, Nketiah, Jorginho, Kiwior, probably Nelson and Vieira need to be sold. Get rid and put the money towards a fucking goalscorer. They aren't good enough to come in and get us a result when we need it and we aren't good enough to be able to hide or carry them just as squad players. When you've got Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Campbell, Vieira and Gilberto, you can carry the odd average player but we don't have that quality. They have to go because we need to raise funds for a striker. It's a simple, hard nosed decision. It's a results business, it's a win the game business, not a fucking hippie commune, so get them sold. Top class managers get the job done. They make unemotional decisions because they can see what's needed and how to get there. We haven't had that since George Graham in the late 80s. We need a manager who doesn't give a fuck, who looks at a squad and tears it up to get things won, who knows how to build a squad through planning and experience, not through some fucking idea from a coaching course in Wales or by watching someone else do it for a while. It's not the Open fucking University, we're not a fucking vocational training centre, we're a fucking football club that needs a proper manager and proper idea of how to fucking win. We've had a go with Arteta, it's not going to work and he's not the man to improve us to an extent where we can win league titles. He's done the Jon of putting us back on some sort of path and got some identity and pride back into the club but now, he needs moving on before he starts causing Wanker-like damage. Get a replacement lined up, get it done in June because someone else with a better management style might just be able to do something with this squad.

This thread can be locked down, leaving Perry’s post as the defining entry.

Agree with every word. Brilliant.

[SteveO 35]

He got lucky for large parts of last season as happens when a managers ends up with a group of players who have all hit form at the right time. Some managers get that but the reality is more closely aligned to the April/May collapses of 2022 and 2023 and right now. It's the fact that when things aren't working, nothing seems to change. We play one way, with one set of players and if it doesn't work, we're fucked. He's been worked out and teams just sit back, give us the ball and wait for an opening as they know, we won't put a finishing touch to all the possession. It's so fucking easy to predict. If we don't score early, teams just catch us on the break or wait for a set piece. It's so fucking simple and nothing ever changes. There's never a change in tactic or a new approach, just the same pass, pass, pass bollox that reeks like the rotting fucking corpse of 2008-18. Players out of form getting game after game whilst others sit on the bench wasting their lives, shit substitutions with no time left- fucking 90 seconds for ESR and Trossard tonight. Fucking hell, like the days of lobbing Bendtner and Oxlade-Chamberlain when we were two down or worse and the game was long gone. It's all painfully similair to the lost, wasted years under Wanker. Decent players going backwards, losing form and not doing it when it matters. Always two and three players away from really challenging and being taken seriously. This side needs a proper fucking goal scorer. Fuck me, how many times did we say that between 2008 and about 2018? Apart from Van Persie, we never had a goalscore who could work with decent players. By the time we had Sanchez, it was mostly fucking dross.
We're back to where we were with Hleb turning in circles , trying to flick passes through 10 defenders for Chamakh or Walcott to scuff wide or straight at the keeper. How did he think this was going to work? We'd get Rice in to drive the midfield, Ødergaard to pass it wide and then what? Saka to always cut inside and curl it into the far post or Martinelli to cut inside and curl it in at the far post? Every time? Fucking hell. It's painful. Teams have worked it out, they know we're not a threat so, just sit deep and block the area. We'll never create anything. It has to be a brilliant goal for us to score. You don't win anything that way. You win titles and cups with a striker tapping them in, heading them in from five yards or kneeing it in at the back post in injury time. You don't win things with 60 fucking mishit shots and one fucking goal in three fucking matches. Again, how can he not fucking see this? How did he think Havertz was going to help? It's that fucking saviour complex that Wanker had- "Oh, he was shit somewhere else but I'll get the best out of him, I'll turn him into a world class player. I'll show them all." No, you fucking won't. He'll still be shit but wasting £65m on him means you've effectively fucking ended any chance of being able to get the one fucking position fixed that we fucking need.
Fucking hell, tonight was like one of those peak Wanker Cup exits at places like Sunderland or Stoke when you watched it and just knew we weren't going to score. That we'd play right into the "Arsenal play good football but lack a cutting edge" line. It's all so fucking predictable now, so fucking boring and clear to see. Get the goal scoring problem solved or change the fucking way we play. This isn't working.
We've got away with it from the very beginning of the season- Forest at home, Palace away, Fulham at home, Scum at home, Man Utd at home, Brentford and Luton away, Brighton and Wolves at home and then done nothing when points were there for the taking at Newcastle, Fulham and Villa. We've been out played by West Ham at home and should have probably come away with nothing from the dippers. The tactics and approach to the matches never takes the opposition into account, we play the same way regardless of who we face. Teams know that and adapt, it was the same under Wanker, it's the same now and that's the difference when it matters. We don't turn a poor performance into a win or grab a draw from the jaws of a defeat. We have to have a perfect performance or hope the opposition play badly. That only works for a while and it worked from August-December 2022 and then from January-February 2022. It hasn't happened since.
Then, we've got the selection issues. The fucking needless mess with Raya and Ramsdale, the left-back problem, the Saka and Martinelli form issue, the ESR absence, the Havertz problem, the Jesus not a goalscorer problem, the Nketiah not a goalscorer problem, the Trossard on the bench or playing as a sort of weird left wing/ left back/ sometimes an attacking central midfielder or at times defending in the box at set pieces. What is the man supposed to do? Has anyone been clear with him? Isn't he the sort of player that could turn a game and nick us something? There are players there that need to go and who aren't good enough. It's not a nice conversation with them but to be perfectly honest, Nketiah, Jorginho, Kiwior, probably Nelson and Vieira need to be sold. Get rid and put the money towards a fucking goalscorer. They aren't good enough to come in and get us a result when we need it and we aren't good enough to be able to hide or carry them just as squad players. When you've got Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Campbell, Vieira and Gilberto, you can carry the odd average player but we don't have that quality. They have to go because we need to raise funds for a striker. It's a simple, hard nosed decision. It's a results business, it's a win the game business, not a fucking hippie commune, so get them sold. Top class managers get the job done. They make unemotional decisions because they can see what's needed and how to get there. We haven't had that since George Graham in the late 80s. We need a manager who doesn't give a fuck, who looks at a squad and tears it up to get things won, who knows how to build a squad through planning and experience, not through some fucking idea from a coaching course in Wales or by watching someone else do it for a while. It's not the Open fucking University, we're not a fucking vocational training centre, we're a fucking football club that needs a proper manager and proper idea of how to fucking win. We've had a go with Arteta, it's not going to work and he's not the man to improve us to an extent where we can win league titles. He's done the Jon of putting us back on some sort of path and got some identity and pride back into the club but now, he needs moving on before he starts causing Wanker-like damage. Get a replacement lined up, get it done in June because someone else with a better management style might just be able to do something with this squad.

It is so Wenger like mate, and you've saved many of us the job of highlighting all the comparisons with Wanker's last decade so thanks for that! I remember when Wanker wouldn't drop Ramsey so he shoved him out wide instead of playing the Ox, which in the end led to the Ox leaving.

What also happened with Wanker is that eventually all of our best players got frustrated with the never ending project and fucked off for pastures new. Cesc, RvP, Nasri etc - for a good while, giving those players prominent roles, captaincy and playing regular CL football was enough for them in their early years. The same can be said now for the likes of Saka, Saliba and Martinelli. How long before they start seeing CL qualification as the base level of expectation and meet up with their mates on international duty - mates who are winning domestic titles, CL and competing at the very top end of the elite competitions consistently. The 4th placed trophy won't wash then will it. We all know Saliba has been top of PSG's defensive wishlist and no doubt Saka is high on Liverpool's list. A couple more damaging collapses like last season, and now this season and the comparison cycle to Wanker's Limpdicks will be complete. Back then the AKB's defence was that we had the new stadium and couldn't compete financially. What's this excuse for this tool spending 700m and still having a squad with gaping holes in it and weak as piss mentally?

[DB10GOONER]

I don't know.... its almost like appointing a novice as manager of a huge club is a bad idea....

[DB10GOONER]

It's almost like there is a reason managers are made start their managerial careers at smaller lower league clubs.....

[augie]

I don't know.... its almost like appointing a novice as manager of a huge club is a bad idea....

I understand your thought process buddy but he is 4 years into the job now and this rookie/novice thing is no longer a factor imo - if he made these mistakes 4 years ago then fair enough we would all point to his inexperience, but the mistakes he is making every single week are down to arrogance and it is the same type of arrogance the french cock had and he was a manager for forty years at that stage. That arrogance is something that is either in you or it isnt and has nothing to do with experience or age - the basque cock thinks that he knows best (his bigging up havertz a few weeks back was a prime example), and he refuses to adapt or learn. A top manager (with the exception of the portugese c.unt) is humble, always willing to learn, and more often than not is gonna have someone alongside him that he trusts and will listen to - an arrogant cock believes that he is always right and surrounds himself with yes men who support that narrative, and never wavers from the opinions he formed on day one. In this particular instance just look at kiwor as another example - he is a young kid in his first season in the league and has scarcely played, and yet diet pep still expects him to play the inverted full back role when zinchenko isnt playing - ffs it is questionable if the kid is good enough for this level as it is, without this basque cock heaping more pressure on him by expecting him to be a fcuking midfield playmaker too He is hanging out this kid because his system and tactics must remain regardless of whether it suits the available players or not

[mcdowell42]

He ain't going anywhere, he's 'elite' in the eyes of most fans, influential bloggers and social media.

You want to check out le grove blog today ,it will open your eyes how true your post is

[SteveO 35]

I don't know.... its almost like appointing a novice as manager of a huge club is a bad idea....

And if we go back to the start of the thread, I think I posted a stat about managers under the age of 40 being appointed to PL teams and how the average time they spent in the job was somewhere between 12-18 months. I also remember looking at the age of 'elite' managers when they were at the peak of their powers. Wenger was 54 when the Invincibles were crowned, and 48 when we he won his first title/double here. Klopp was 49 when appointed Liverpool manager and turning 52 when they won the CL, 53 when they won the league. Pep is 52 now. Maureen was an exception being only 41 when Porto won the CL and a year older when winning the Chavs the title, but look at the resources at his disposal in those early Chavski years. He'd also been a manager for 4 years before landing that CL with Porto, which was something of a fluke in any event. You can be too old, you can be too young and there will be the odd exception to the rule but generally speaking late 40s/early 50s with somewhere in the region of 7 years+ managerial experience is when the top guys peak, If you look at CEOs of top companies generally speaking there aren't many 37 year olds landing those roles.

There's a reason - maybe someone should point it out to Wiggy Jnr