Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[DB10GOONER]

A few stats for those lauding the cone boy for being as high as we are in the league -

1. Two of the four premier league teams that played in this seasons champions league finished rock bottom of their groups - has that ever happened before ?

2. There is no premier league team in champions league semi finals - it is four years since that last happened

3. There is only ONE premier league club left in the 3 uefa competitions semi finals stage - when did that happen last ?

4. That last remaining club is being managed by the guy who the cone boy supporters continue to mock on here - a guy whose successes show peps cone boy up to be the pretender that he really is

The standard of the premier league is so poor of late that everton can be docked points twice this season and still stay up Manure have lost TWELVE league games this season and have a minus goal difference, and yet they sit in 7th place ffs - how shit must the rest of the teams below them be ??? There are intelligent guys on here that for most part make good points, but the argument that the quality of this premier league is quite high is laughable - liverpool have just got hammered by the 6th best team in a shit italian league and who are over 30pts behind league leaders. We were fcuking steeped to beat a portugese team on penalties this season and were knocked out by a portugese club last season - we are not talking europe's elite here. The premier league is declining year after year, and all this "progress" should be quantified instead of lauded imo

I gotta be honest here augie that is a depressing harsh dispiriting post and you are just a tad of a cùnt
for posting it - but you are 100% right old buddy.

It's a SlySports myth believed by soccer fanboys that the PL is the greatest league in the world.

Yes it is still the most watchable because it is still on occasion fast and furious and has less diving and acting the cùnt than the other leagues, but the quality is no longer there. Teams and managers are now bogged down in systems and fancy shit like inverted false 5 outer running backs or some such shite which stifles expressive adventurous players.

[Gunner Rob]

Agree - that is a superb (but depressing) post augie.

The PL is largely now so shit that it is pretty much impossible now for a top club to ever be in the bottom half.
Chelsea have given it a good go this season, but despite having just 47 points at the moment stand a good chance of finishing 6th

It makes sense Villa are still going in Europe because they are managed by someone who actually knows how to win in Europe. Blimey the guy even managed to get us to a European final in his first season- cone boy is into his 5th season and has got nowhere close.

[Retro Gunner]

A few stats for those lauding the cone boy for being as high as we are in the league -

1. Two of the four premier league teams that played in this seasons champions league finished rock bottom of their groups - has that ever happened before ?

2. There is no premier league team in champions league semi finals - it is four years since that last happened

3. There is only ONE premier league club left in the 3 uefa competitions semi finals stage - when did that happen last ?

4. That last remaining club is being managed by the guy who the cone boy supporters continue to mock on here - a guy whose successes show peps cone boy up to be the pretender that he really is

The standard of the premier league is so poor of late that everton can be docked points twice this season and still stay up Manure have lost TWELVE league games this season and have a minus goal difference, and yet they sit in 7th place ffs - how shit must the rest of the teams below them be ??? There are intelligent guys on here that for most part make good points, but the argument that the quality of this premier league is quite high is laughable - liverpool have just got hammered by the 6th best team in a shit italian league and who are over 30pts behind league leaders. We were fcuking steeped to beat a portugese team on penalties this season and were knocked out by a portugese club last season - we are not talking europe's elite here. The premier league is declining year after year, and all this "progress" should be quantified instead of lauded imo

A very sobering post.

[SteveO 35]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

[augie]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

Steve O you are being very selective there buddy - you are addressing the english teams failing in europe as though that is why I am saying that the premier league standard is shit this season, but you are ignoring the points I made about manu and everton and they are the defining proof of how poor the standard is this season, and the defeats in europe are merely the result of it. How the fcuk can that absolutely dogshit manure team be in 7th after losing 12 games in the league ??? How can everton be docked points TWICE and still be able to stay up ??

[DB10GOONER]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

Take down your Union Jack Steve, its not meant as an insult to England!

What augie I think is referring to, and what I agree with, is the standard within the PL is poor. Cheateh are winning it because they have the most money and have bought two first teams basically. The manure and Everton situations are hilarious. For Arteta to get us into the top 3 or 4 after spending over 700million in this league should be the bare minimum expected, not seen as huge success.

Also, the bit in red, no one said those leagues are amazing. Personally I think they are utter shit and unwatchable mostly because of the diving and cheating, which is far worse than in the PL.

As I said the PL I still the most entertaining and watchable, (although less and less tbh) but the quality of foitball and the competiveness is not there to the level it used to be.

[Stuart L (2)]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

Take down your Union Jack Steve, its not meant as an insult to England!

What augie I think is referring to, and what I agree with, is the standard within the PL is poor. Cheateh are winning it because they have the most money and have bought two first teams basically. The manure and Everton situations are hilarious. For Arteta to get us into the top 3 or 4 after spending over 700million in this league should be the bare minimum expected, not seen as huge success.

Also, the bit in red, no one said those leagues are amazing. Personally I think they are utter shit and unwatchable mostly because of the diving and cheating, which is far worse than in the PL.

As I said the PL I still the most entertaining and watchable, (although less and less tbh) but the quality of foitball and the competiveness is not there to the level it used to be.

By that token Chelsea and Utd should both be in the top 3 given their spend on players….there is no guarantee

Spending that amount was necessary to lift us, after the latter Wenker years, from challenging to get top 4 to now looking to lift the title, such was the paucity of our squad - and we will spend again the summer and get shot of lightweights that do not belong - Nketieh, Nelson, Lakonga, Elneny, Soares, and I think in all probability Ramsdale and a Smith Rowe too, possibly even Zinchenko.


Rice cost us more than we thought we would need to spend and the fact West Ham insisted in it being paid in 3 instalments rather than across his 5 year contract, but I’m glad we took that gamble as he has been so impressive in marshalling the opposition and pouncing to win the ball and also contributed with goals occasionally and his corner taking has been impressive too.

Whatever happens over the next 5 games, I can look forward to next season with optimism

[SteveO 35]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

Steve O you are being very selective there buddy - you are addressing the english teams failing in europe as though that is why I am saying that the premier league standard is shit this season, but you are ignoring the points I made about manu and everton and they are the defining proof of how poor the standard is this season, and the defeats in europe are merely the result of it. How the fcuk can that absolutely dogshit manure team be in 7th after losing 12 games in the league ??? How can everton be docked points TWICE and still be able to stay up ??

Every major league in Europe could say the same! La Liga is generally considered the closest comparison league or the Bundesliga. Girona have been in the top 2 for most of the season FFS - the Leicester City of Spain! Barcelona are utter ***** compared to Pep's class of 10-12 years ago

[augie]

I have said all season long that football everywhere is on the decline and not just in england - international football is the worst I have ever seen it My point remains Steve O, that a lot of this talk about our "improvement" is greatly exagerated - yes we have improved, but we have been met somewhere along the road by teams that are declining big time, so all I am looking for is a more realistic assessment of this improvement

[DB10GOONER]

Every so often a season comes along where the English teams don't produce a semi finalist or whatever and these dopey over reactions about the PL being shit are dragged up. Greece won the Euros once, Leicester won the league once, Turkey got to a World Cup semi blah blah blah. Shit happens.

How about saying that only a year ago, West Ham, a team who spent most of the season in the bottom half coasted their way to winning a European trophy. City won the CL. 2022 Liverpool were runners up. 2021 we had both finalists. 2019 we had both finalists. In between that 2020 was the last time we didn't have a semi finalist so what happened either side of it proves that occasionally in cup competitions shit happens

That's not to say Arteta's record in Europe isn't utterly pathetic - I've called that many times before. Olympiacos, Villareal, PSV, Sporting, Lens are all dog shit and managed to beat us in matches when we had chances of actually winning something with a far superior squad. If you dropped any of the Top 3 from the PL into Serie A or the Portuguese league they'd walk it with six games to spare.

The oil cheats presence means the PL is still harder to win than all the other top leagues in the world. Undeniable

If we're making comparisons to how a dog shit Man Ure and Chaski are still heading for Europe then take a look in France where that pub team Lens who we beat 6-0 and could have been 10, are back in the European places in Ligue 1 and 6 points off a CL place with 4 games to go

Bayern and Real Madrid are still 2 of Europe's elite clubs - always have been, always will be. They beat us by 1 goal and City on penalties. Does that suddenly mean that our league is shit and theirs are amazing? Does it fuck. Leverkusen are like the Arsenal of Germany albeit they finally won the league this year, so we will see how they get on going for the Bundesliga and CL next season

Take down your Union Jack Steve, its not meant as an insult to England!

What augie I think is referring to, and what I agree with, is the standard within the PL is poor. Cheateh are winning it because they have the most money and have bought two first teams basically. The manure and Everton situations are hilarious. For Arteta to get us into the top 3 or 4 after spending over 700million in this league should be the bare minimum expected, not seen as huge success.

Also, the bit in red, no one said those leagues are amazing. Personally I think they are utter shit and unwatchable mostly because of the diving and cheating, which is far worse than in the PL.

As I said the PL I still the most entertaining and watchable, (although less and less tbh) but the quality of foitball and the competiveness is not there to the level it used to be.

By that token Chelsea and Utd should both be in the top 3 given their spend on players….

Absolutely. And thats why both their managers won't be there next season.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Has he gone yet?

(I feel nostalgic saying that. )

[nut flush gooner]

Blimey the last few posts on this thread, initiated by Augie have made my head explode.

You just cannot reason with people like this, even though Steve035 made a good fist of it.

[Stuart L (2)]

4 games left

In with a real chance of winning the league

This is what we all wanted, to be competing at the top ( second season running and we are still improving )

It will happen, this year, maybe, next year or the year after for sure.

Keep the faith and enjoy the ride

[IW8Goalmachine]

Tonight and tomorrow night are massive.

[the playing mantis]

4 games left

In with a real chance of winning the league

This is what we all wanted, to be competing at the top ( second season running and we are still improving )

It will happen, this year, maybe, next year or the year after for sure.

Keep the faith and enjoy the ride

I think if we beat the scum we win the league