Sad but true
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Sad but true
While we are all enjoying this very good run that we are on I saw something last night that made me realise something.
Many of us have began to believe that Wenger has learnt some very harsh lessons from this season but one massive error remains that means we will always be around the top 4 with him in charge but winning anything meaningful like the title or the Champ League will never happen.
Our team is as good as our weakest player on the pitch. Against a good team that weak player can turn a win into a defeat in a second.
Against Barcelona or Madrid or even AC Milan, Santos would have been slaughtered. A really poor defender who will play many times for us next season.
Ramsey is another player who has had a poor season will Wilshere replace him next season or will Wenger continue to play players out of form.
Reason United do so well is that Fergie will not allow poor performances to last longer than one game. Rest assured United will go on to win the League now.
Up front we have the wide players like Walcott and Ox and the amazing VP but apart from them and Rosicky it is dire.
For me the next transfer window is now really a case of where this management want Arsenal FC to be. Its 50/50 as to if its success or failure
Many of us have began to believe that Wenger has learnt some very harsh lessons from this season but one massive error remains that means we will always be around the top 4 with him in charge but winning anything meaningful like the title or the Champ League will never happen.
Our team is as good as our weakest player on the pitch. Against a good team that weak player can turn a win into a defeat in a second.
Against Barcelona or Madrid or even AC Milan, Santos would have been slaughtered. A really poor defender who will play many times for us next season.
Ramsey is another player who has had a poor season will Wilshere replace him next season or will Wenger continue to play players out of form.
Reason United do so well is that Fergie will not allow poor performances to last longer than one game. Rest assured United will go on to win the League now.
Up front we have the wide players like Walcott and Ox and the amazing VP but apart from them and Rosicky it is dire.
For me the next transfer window is now really a case of where this management want Arsenal FC to be. Its 50/50 as to if its success or failure
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Re: Sad but true
Most the above is true.supergeorgegraham wrote:While we are all enjoying this very good run that we are on I saw something last night that made me realise something.
Many of us have began to believe that Wenger has learnt some very harsh lessons from this season but one massive error remains that means we will always be around the top 4 with him in charge but winning anything meaningful like the title or the Champ League will never happen.
Our team is as good as our weakest player on the pitch. Against a good team that weak player can turn a win into a defeat in a second.
Against Barcelona or Madrid or even AC Milan, Santos would have been slaughtered. A really poor defender who will play many times for us next season.
Ramsey is another player who has had a poor season will Wilshere replace him next season or will Wenger continue to play players out of form.
Reason United do so well is that Fergie will not allow poor performances to last longer than one game. Rest assured United will go on to win the League now.
Up front we have the wide players like Walcott and Ox and the amazing VP but apart from them and Rosicky it is dire.
For me the next transfer window is now really a case of where this management want Arsenal FC to be. Its 50/50 as to if its success or failure
However, I think looking at who we offload is key to success.
We also need to strengthen all over the pitch and bringing some serious quality.
Podolski IS a start and players such as Dempsey good squad additions.
Our best 11 is a match for anyone and can see us challenge for honours, but the depth is very messy.
However, we are in a much better state of affairs than that of when the August window was open, and I feel we have come on strongly throughout the season. The squad is thin on class, but a bit of cleaning up, offloading 10 squad players and bringing in three top notch talents.
Sell the following
Almunia
Fabianski
Hoyte
Bartley
Squillachi
Eastmond
Park
Bendtner
Denilson
Vela
Chamakh
That's a team of players
Promote
Ignasi
Aneke
Afobe
Yennaris
Buy
Podolski
Dempsey
+1
+1
Remembering Benyoun won't be ours either.
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Re: Sad but true
1) I imagine that a year ago you would have been saying that Koscielny was a poor defender too
I don't see that Santos has done a lot wrong to be honest. Clichy made far more mistakes
2) If Wilshere had been fit then obviously Ramsey wouldnt have got so many games. He is a good reserve player though
3) you say that up front we have Walcott, the OX, RVP and Rosicky. I am not sure what the problem is, I would have thought that was pretty good and it looks like Podolski is coming this summer anyway
I don't see that Santos has done a lot wrong to be honest. Clichy made far more mistakes
2) If Wilshere had been fit then obviously Ramsey wouldnt have got so many games. He is a good reserve player though
3) you say that up front we have Walcott, the OX, RVP and Rosicky. I am not sure what the problem is, I would have thought that was pretty good and it looks like Podolski is coming this summer anyway
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Red Member wrote:1) I imagine that a year ago you would have been saying that Koscielny was a poor defender too
I don't see that Santos has done a lot wrong to be honest. Clichy made far more mistakes
2) If Wilshere had been fit then obviously Ramsey wouldnt have got so many games. He is a good reserve player though
3) you say that up front we have Walcott, the OX, RVP and Rosicky. I am not sure what the problem is, I would have thought that was pretty good and it looks like Podolski is coming this summer anyway
1) Last year he was poor, this year he's better. No world-beater but better. So, one bad one good. Let's see next year if he can maintain some consistency.
2) Wilshire/Ramsey has little correlation, given there are other options than Ramsey.
3) Chamakh/Park taking up places on the bench, Bendtner/Vela on loan. All duds. Need genuine forward cover, not makeshift playmakers and wingers.
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Re: Sad but true
Think it's harsh to judge Santos yet, he's been out for a very long time and has shown flashes of quality in some games prior to his injury. Looks a bit slimmer now too.
Give him a pre-season and see how he gets on next season.
Give him a pre-season and see how he gets on next season.
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Can we lay of Ramsey please. Its his first full season and he's done OK.
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I too think judging santos, who has spent a few months out injured, is extremely harsh - I know that I have been quick to write off the klingon but an extra 6 months aint going to get him the brains required to play at this level
I also think we should be more patient with ramsey - I agree that he hasnt progressed as we had hoped but I would be willing to wait until next season to show he is good enough or else write him off. God knows walnut has been given more time to prove himself and he still hasnt shown enough to suggest he can be good enough to play at this level yet there are many who want the club to give the guy 80k+ per week
I also think we should be more patient with ramsey - I agree that he hasnt progressed as we had hoped but I would be willing to wait until next season to show he is good enough or else write him off. God knows walnut has been given more time to prove himself and he still hasnt shown enough to suggest he can be good enough to play at this level yet there are many who want the club to give the guy 80k+ per week
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Santos is is our 2nd choice left back will do a job I have got no problems with him we have other areas to worry about ie lack of top class cover for RVP .
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Re: Sad but true
To be honest, with Wilshere back, signing Benny permanently and Podolski I'd be pretty happy with the squad.
I'd add Joao Moutinho but that's about it.
I'd add Joao Moutinho but that's about it.
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hopefully podolski can be the cover for RVP
i think the biggest problem is our lack of goalkeepers.
we need an experienced keeper as backup to Chesney.
i think the biggest problem is our lack of goalkeepers.
we need an experienced keeper as backup to Chesney.
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Re: Sad but true
I totally agree with the Koscielny point. He has been our best improvement this season by far. Maybe Santos will be ok I certainly hope so.
Overall though we do seem to play players out of form and that has been a problem over the last 5 or 6 years.
I would like to see Ox start more but thats based on the fact he has always done well in my view.
Overall though we do seem to play players out of form and that has been a problem over the last 5 or 6 years.
I would like to see Ox start more but thats based on the fact he has always done well in my view.
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Re: Sad but true
You see a full German international in his prime as only cover for van Persie?Red Member wrote:hopefully podolski can be the cover for RVP
i think the biggest problem is our lack of goalkeepers.
we need an experienced keeper as backup to Chesney.
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Absolutley, this is something Wenger should get done this summer. Fabianski looks like he's off, so we should go after a 'Keeper whose maybe towards the end of his playign days (2 years) who is experienced.we need an experienced keeper as backup to Chesney.
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Almunia fits the bill!rigsby wrote:Absolutley, this is something Wenger should get done this summer. Fabianski looks like he's off, so we should go after a 'Keeper whose maybe towards the end of his playign days (2 years) who is experienced.we need an experienced keeper as backup to Chesney.
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Re: Sad but true
Agreed with the others... Santos should be given next season BUT i think he has a poor first touch and plays too high up the pitch for a defender... he is a defender who doesn't defend and a poor imitation of Daniel Alves. But he should be given time and might well improve.
I personally would like to see more Northern Europe defenders - Dutch / Belgian / Scandi / German. Generally tall, solid and well built, strong, no-nonsense types who won't moan about the weather and wear gloves and longjohns in October. No slow-coaches though.
I personally would like to see more Northern Europe defenders - Dutch / Belgian / Scandi / German. Generally tall, solid and well built, strong, no-nonsense types who won't moan about the weather and wear gloves and longjohns in October. No slow-coaches though.