armchair supporter wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:CihanArsenalFC wrote:
It is the Board and the owners that I have my big issue with. They do not have the competence to run a football club and once AW has gone it will be interesting to see how things unfold. We will need a very special manager to sort things out.
You put your argument across well, mate. But I only want to address that last point.
Fraid I dont agree DB. imo his post is full of contradictions and full of typical Wenger supporter fuzz and nonsense .
..........I do love the bloke. That does not make me an AKB........
Maybe he is too loyal for his own good by not addressing issues in the ownership, the board, and quite possibly the team.
Hes the manager. Hes supposed to "address issues" in the fukin team. Loyalty? Loyalty only to his over inflated wages, his ego, and his failed socialist youth project. For the umpteenth time Wenger sits on board meetings and has a say on everything thats decided. Hes part of what they are for fuks sake.
I do not have much hope of him turning it around...... yet.....
we should get behind him for one final year.
Never heard that before.
Yes lets say/do nothing and give him another year to further damage the club.
He will be the manager next season (and I feel he will just leave at the end of his contract) ................ Protests about him are pointless and I think he deserves a little better (although some may say he has already lived off past achievements long enough).
IMO Wenger will be offered a new extended contract in the summer by the present ownership. If Usmanov comes in the first thing he'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. If an Arab consortium come in the first thing they'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. The ONLY way to ensure Wenger does not accept any of those offers if they come about is by direct action and fan protest.
It is the Board and the owners that I have my big issue with.
FFS they dont coach the team, pick the players, do defence, make the subs, decide who gets an extension or who doesn't, negotiate wages, buy Gervinho or Squillachi or Santos, replace RVP with..... Giroud, play Ramsey on the wing or right back, run JW into the ground, ruin the OX etc, etc, etc........
FFS all this talk about the board and how much money there is or isn't totally deflects attention from who is responsible for the shit we've seen over recent seasons and gives Wenger another hiding place.
armchair supporter wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:CihanArsenalFC wrote:
It is the Board and the owners that I have my big issue with. They do not have the competence to run a football club and once AW has gone it will be interesting to see how things unfold. We will need a very special manager to sort things out.
You put your argument across well, mate. But I only want to address that last point.
Fraid I dont agree DB. imo his post is full of contradictions and full of typical Wenger supporter fuzz and nonsense .
..........I do love the bloke. That does not make me an AKB........
Maybe he is too loyal for his own good by not addressing issues in the ownership, the board, and quite possibly the team.
Hes the manager. Hes supposed to "address issues" in the fukin team. Loyalty? Loyalty only to his over inflated wages, his ego, and his failed socialist youth project. For the umpteenth time Wenger sits on board meetings and has a say on everything thats decided. Hes part of what they are for fuks sake.
I do not have much hope of him turning it around...... yet.....
we should get behind him for one final year.
Never heard that before.
Yes lets say/do nothing and give him another year to further damage the club.
He will be the manager next season (and I feel he will just leave at the end of his contract) ................ Protests about him are pointless and I think he deserves a little better (although some may say he has already lived off past achievements long enough).
IMO Wenger will be offered a new extended contract in the summer by the present ownership. If Usmanov comes in the first thing he'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. If an Arab consortium come in the first thing they'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. The ONLY way to ensure Wenger does not accept any of those offers if they come about is by direct action and fan protest.
It is the Board and the owners that I have my big issue with.
FFS they dont coach the team, pick the players, do defence, make the subs, decide who gets an extension or who doesn't, negotiate wages, buy Gervinho or Squillachi or Santos, replace RVP with..... Giroud, play Ramsey on the wing or right back, run JW into the ground, ruin the OX etc, etc, etc........
FFS all this talk about the board and how much money there is or isn't totally deflects attention from who is responsible for the shit we've seen over recent seasons and gives Wenger another hiding place.
I do love the bloke. That does not make me an AKB
Surely you can like someone even if you disagree with them. If I like AW because of all he has done, and will never forget what he has done. But this does not mean I agree with his ideas at the moment (or for the last two years).
I do not have much hope of him turning it around...... yet..... we should get behind him for one final year.
Whether anyone likes it or not he will be staying where he is (or that's how it seems to me at least). I can't see that being a major shock to anyone, so we may as well all give him one final backing before he goes (although I accept that that would be dangerous territory, as it may make him think everyone wants him to stay, and maybe he would end up signing an 8 year extension). Actually let's pretend I never wrote that, you win.
IMO Wenger will be offered a new extended contract in the summer by the present ownership. If Usmanov comes in the first thing he'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. If an Arab consortium come in the first thing they'll do is secure Wenger with an extended contract. The ONLY way to ensure Wenger does not accept any of those offers if they come about is by direct action and fan protest.
I really cannot see this. I agree that whoever owns the club will want him to stay. But I can't see him continuing given the ill feeling towards him from many. If I were in his shoes I would have probably said "F you lot" a long time ago and then gone to Madrid, but he has been loyal including when everyone worshipped him. We will see.
And I will lay off the quoting now - but your final point about the board. Well, I am of the opinion that if you give someone 100 tasks rather than the 10 tasks that are the core part of his job, then he will be less effective (AW language there) in the core parts of his role. If you look at the management of the club there is no football knowledge there. Even David Dein was not that type of board member but he at least did a lot of work in the background which you imagine probably allowed Wenger to focus on working with the players day in day out. Nowadays you hear that he is not always even in charge of all training sessions. He is not allowed to watch as much football as before because of some sort of commercial commitment somewhere or because he has to attend some function on behalf of the club.
Because of my respect for the bloke maybe I am not objective on this one, but I feel it is just too much of a coincidence that our slow decline since 2007 started after David Dein left. That combined with other clubs adding football director's to their management.
Ideally, I want to see Wenger leave but with the good send off that he deserves. There is no greater servant to the club certainly in the post-war era.
I am aware there are no clear arguments in what I have written - I guess that is because I respect AW him too much. But I do still agree that he has taken us as far he can. He will leave a big legacy and whoever takes over from him will hopefully take that on to a new level.
