Re: Hillborough inquest...jury out
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:35 pm
You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
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Absolutely. That was just what used to happen - Liverpool might have been worse than most/the rest but had this tragedy happened at any ground to any club then fans steaming in late etc would have been a factor.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
I didn't know Diaby was on the jury.Red Snapper wrote:One juror has sat through all those months of evidence only to be excused today for medical reasons. Only nine now.
flash gunner wrote:I hope they get the compensation they have been after and its the last time we hear about this.
Any football fan who went in the 80's knows the truth about Hillsborough and who's to blame
If they get to the final, it'll be all moans and groans about the ground being too small, too few tickets, biggest fan base in the world, should have played it at a bigger venue, blah, blah, blah when 10,000 try and get in without tickets.northbank123 wrote:Absolutely. That was just what used to happen - Liverpool might have been worse than most/the rest but had this tragedy happened at any ground to any club then fans steaming in late etc would have been a factor.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
Fucking disgusting and hypocritical that they still do it every final. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they beat Villarreal there will be hundreds of Liverpool fans drunk, without tickets and trying to force their way in and mug fellow fans for tickets in Basel. Just like Athens, just like Istanbul.
They will get found out then. It was terrible! but i am sick of the victim tag, and the holier that though image they play on all the fucking time.northbank123 wrote:Absolutely. That was just what used to happen - Liverpool might have been worse than most/the rest but had this tragedy happened at any ground to any club then fans steaming in late etc would have been a factor.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
Fucking disgusting and hypocritical that they still do it every final. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they beat Villarreal there will be hundreds of Liverpool fans drunk, without tickets and trying to force their way in and mug fellow fans for tickets in Basel. Just like Athens, just like Istanbul.
Probably. Wasn't there a pitch invasion? Or am I thinking of another one.Bradywasking wrote:Highbury was used in 1984 for Everton v Southampton.. Was that the last pre Hillsborough time it was played there?
Yes think Everton fans were on the North Bank, Adrian Heath I think scored the winner..Red Snapper wrote:Probably. Wasn't there a pitch invasion? Or am I thinking of another one.Bradywasking wrote:Highbury was used in 1984 for Everton v Southampton.. Was that the last pre Hillsborough time it was played there?
That was a point I was confused with but the previous year would have been the same, yet disaster was diverted because it was policed better.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
Nos everyone i think agrees it was a tragedy and to be honest most if not all those who died were not to blame for any of it but the above highlighted is wrong on so many levels, forget the shit policing, the really bad layout of the ground and all the other faults on the day, simply put if the fans outside had not behaved the way they did then the police would have retained control and quite simply the crush couldn't have happened.Nos89 wrote:That was a point I was confused with but the previous year would have been the same, yet disaster was diverted because it was policed better.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
I've also agree that the FA are getting off lightly, they knew the ground wasn't fit for purpose yet still went ahead.
The final itself saw Liverpool supporters breaching the terraces and running into the pitch, which only underlined the reason why fences were put up in the first place. That gets overlooked.
But it was not about general behaviour, it was about that one dreadful day, and the blatant lies, and non action that could have saved 41 of those lives that was under investigation.
There was a pitch invasion in '84, Everton and Portsmouth they FA refused to use Highbury unless it had fences put up. Thankfully, Hill-Wood didn't allow that to happen.
The jury were not unanimous with that decision but to give the unlawfully killed verdict, it would be difficult to apportion some of the blame to the behaviour of the supporters. How could they charge 2000 Liverpool fans with the unlawful killing of 96 people?GoonerMuzz wrote:Nos everyone i think agrees it was a tragedy and to be honest most if not all those who died were not to blame for any of it but the above highlighted is wrong on so many levels, forget the shit policing, the really bad layout of the ground and all the other faults on the day, simply put if the fans outside had not behaved the way they did then the police would have retained control and quite simply the crush couldn't have happened.Nos89 wrote:That was a point I was confused with but the previous year would have been the same, yet disaster was diverted because it was policed better.A11M11 wrote:You're correct to remember the crowds and the push - shove nature of the time. That is what makes the exoneration of those that came in late unbelievable.
I've also agree that the FA are getting off lightly, they knew the ground wasn't fit for purpose yet still went ahead.
The final itself saw Liverpool supporters breaching the terraces and running into the pitch, which only underlined the reason why fences were put up in the first place. That gets overlooked.
But it was not about general behaviour, it was about that one dreadful day, and the blatant lies, and non action that could have saved 41 of those lives that was under investigation.
There was a pitch invasion in '84, Everton and Portsmouth they FA refused to use Highbury unless it had fences put up. Thankfully, Hill-Wood didn't allow that to happen.
Whitewashing the fans of any responsibility for their actions is as big a miscarriage of justice as all the coercion, lies, intimidation, false evidence that has happened at all the previous enquiries and is a sop to the families and others who have battled for the truth up until now. It basically makes it ok for any group to act the way that those fans did on that day at any other time without consequencies