THE WENGER THREAD

[Nos89]

Just a thought whilst wenger talks about the fans when was the last time he came over and applauded us at the end of an away game? In the last ten years ive never seen him show his appreciation of us.

[northbank123]

Just a thought whilst wenger talks about the fans when was the last time he came over and applauded us at the end of an away game? In the last ten years ive never seen him show his appreciation of us.

Very true. Although it annoys me when dickheads like 'Arry do it to posture to the camera it seems like Wenger thinks he's above showing the fans ANY sort of gratitude for spending ridiculous amounts to see his experiments fail miserably.

[Brady's left peg]

Just a thought whilst wenger talks about the fans when was the last time he came over and applauded us at the end of an away game? In the last ten years ive never seen him show his appreciation of us.

Very true. Although it annoys me when dickheads like 'Arry do it to posture to the camera it seems like Wenger thinks he's above showing the fans ANY sort of gratitude for spending ridiculous amounts to see his experiments fail miserably.

It may of been ok a few years ago, but even he's not stupid enough to venture anywhere near the fans now for fear of the abuse he may get.

[GranadaJoe]

DPMunky said: how and why are we still holding on to this "tactical" formation that we dont have players to fit in it? ...
players who attack space and run at defenders (rosicky and chamberlain) cant seem to get any playing time yet we've got a team full of guys out there that as soon as they get into trouble, back to szcesney it goes ...
i realize it's been 8 years but some were better then others. but the last 3 have been consistent almost mirror images of each other.
whatever is going on has been going on for years now and i only see being able to blame the manager

You may be an American, but you've hit the nail on the head. Players chosen - manager's decision, style of play - manager's decision. I never thought I'd see the day when the Scum were ahead of us. They shouldn't have had a chance to become the better team, we had all the aces (success, stadium, income etc). There is not a single glimmer of hope at the moment. AvB is right; we're continuing on a downward spiral. AW has got to go.

[armchair]

DPMunky said: how and why are we still holding on to this "tactical" formation that we dont have players to fit in it? ...
players who attack space and run at defenders (rosicky and chamberlain) cant seem to get any playing time yet we've got a team full of guys out there that as soon as they get into trouble, back to szcesney it goes ...
i realize it's been 8 years but some were better then others. but the last 3 have been consistent almost mirror images of each other.
whatever is going on has been going on for years now and i only see being able to blame the manager

You may be an American, but you've hit the nail on the head. Players chosen - manager's decision, style of play - manager's decision. I never thought I'd see the day when the Scum were ahead of us. They shouldn't have had a chance to become the better team, we had all the aces (success, stadium, income etc). There is not a single glimmer of hope at the moment. AvB is right; we're continuing on a downward spiral. AW has got to go.

Ah but didn't you know? Havent you heard.......?
Its the boards fault ffs!
Soon as Kronke and Gazidis leave and Usmanov or some Arab consortium come in all our worries will be over.
Wenger will suddenly change the teams formation, study the opposition and adapt, use subs tactically.
He'll suddenly see the light and train the team how to defend. Maybe he'll let Bouldy have an input.
He'll change his failed "socialist" wage policy. He'll stop selling our best players to our hated opposition.

Yea everything will be better when we get new owners.

[flash gunner]

For what its worth im still AGAINST

[ArsenalN5]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

Missing out on the CL isn't going to make the board and Wenger suddenly spend alot of money just to get us back into it simply because we'll be £25m or so worse off so they'll have to tighten the pursestrings even more. The £120 odd million won't be spent, It's there to safe guard our future not for Falcaos and Gotzes.

[flash gunner]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

Missing out on the CL isn't going to make the board and Wenger suddenly spend alot of money just to get us back into it simply because we'll be £25m or so worse off so they'll have to tighten the pursestrings even more. The £120 odd million won't be spent, It's there to safe guard our future not for Falcaos and Gotzes.

and i suppose we'll have to sell our best players to make up on the shortfall . . . . . . . erm

but wishing for or against makes no difference if we miss out Wenger and the board are to blame for not having a good enough team and putting the club in jeapardy (your opinion) doesnt matter what the fans think

[VoiceOfReason]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we want. The fact is, it's happening. And there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it.

As others have said though, what's so great about the CL? It doesn't enable us to attract top players (like the myth suggests), it's not a trophy we can win (only reached the semi-finals twice in 15 years), and all the financial rewards go straight into the pockets of the board. Who really gives a shit?

[arseofacrow]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we want. The fact is, it's happening. And there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it.

As others have said though, what's so great about the CL? It doesn't enable us to attract top players (like the myth suggests), it's not a trophy we can win (only reached the semi-finals twice in 15 years), and all the financial rewards go straight into the pockets of the board. Who really gives a shit?

Spot on! All of the so-called benefits of this competition (keeping and attracting the top players ) and having a chance of winning it (copyright AW ...I'll be there for out official arse handed on a plate ceremony in munich ) are in our case non-existent.

It only seems to maintain the status quo, which means Groundhog FC (g88ner ) every season.

[markyp]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

Missing out on the CL isn't going to make the board and Wenger suddenly spend alot of money just to get us back into it simply because we'll be £25m or so worse off so they'll have to tighten the pursestrings even more. The £120 odd million won't be spent, It's there to safe guard our future not for Falcaos and Gotzes.

can you not see past the end of your nose fella??its short term pain for llong term gain,thats all,end of

[Clash]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

Missing out on the CL isn't going to make the board and Wenger suddenly spend alot of money just to get us back into it simply because we'll be £25m or so worse off so they'll have to tighten the pursestrings even more. The £120 odd million won't be spent, It's there to safe guard our future not for Falcaos and Gotzes.

You say Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back in but what about Spurs? They’ve only qualified once for the CL and missed out last year. But they are right back up there looking likely to be back in it next season. Liverpool have been badly mismanaged and not getting in the CL has nothing to do with their problems.

As others have said, the argument that Arsenal 'MUST' qualify for the CL is old now and been proven to lead to nothing more than the club continuing to exist in their own comfort zone.

[Clash]

can you not see past the end of your nose fella??its short term pain for llong term gain,thats all,end of

In a nutshell ...!

[bunch]

I find it absolutely pathetic that people want us to miss out on the CL. How you can call yourself a supporter and want us to be worse off as a club is beyond me. Liverpool have shown how hard it is to get back into it and yet there are geniuses wanting us to go that way.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we want. The fact is, it's happening. And there's nothing we, as fans, can do about it.

As others have said though, what's so great about the CL? It doesn't enable us to attract top players (like the myth suggests), it's not a trophy we can win (only reached the semi-finals twice in 15 years), and all the financial rewards go straight into the pockets of the board. Who really gives a shit?

I think all things being equal it has to be better to be in it than not. But from this supporter's point of view it is incredibly marginal and I can understand those that want us to not get in there next season. I find it sickening that Wenger and his cultists trot out 16 years of qualification as some form of success. It hasn't led to any more trophies (you could argue it has led to less because how many times has Wenger prioritised the CL over the FA Cup: semi v Chelsea 2009 being a prime example), it hasn't helped us keep our best players, and frankly most of the games, ie our group games, are against opposition that rank lower in excitement level than Stoke, Wigan and Reading. It's just more money for the club to stick with their grand a year they got off me and where does it go?

What I absolutely don't want to happen though is to miss-out on CL and end up in the f'kin Europa league. B'stards in Highbury House will make out its the same value as a CL game and keep the 7 full price cup games on the ST.

[Clash]

Another misconception is that what we are currently enjoying is still far far better than the so called desperate days of the early 1980s

In 1982 we finished 16 points behind a Liverpool side generally recognised as one of the finest in Europe, and 17 points behind their European Cup final side of 1984

Last year we finished 19 points behind two Manchester sides embarrassed in the group stage of the CL and this season we will finish 20+ points adrift

The only difference for Terry Neill and Don Howe after him was that they weren't rewarded for the pathetic failure of finishing 20 points behind with some consolation prize of qualifying for a tournament we can never win.

Lord Wenger - a failure on the scale of Neill and Howe 2006-2016 (might as well state that fact because the useless wanker is here for keeps). In 1984 he'd have got the boot

Some very good points made here!

And also there was Rioch who was sacked after finishing 5th. Admittedly 19 points behind champions Man United ... but level on points and goal difference with 4th placed Villa.