Re: The Reason v Superstition Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:54 am
If my memory of lusting after Jenny Hanley are correct, six magpies is for gold, not the lottery! You just looked for the wrong thing mate.
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Red Snapper wrote:If my memory of lusting after Jenny Hanley are correct, six magpies is for gold, not the lottery! You just looked for the wrong thing mate.
Couldn't find one in a bikini but hope this one will do;GranadaJoe wrote:Red Snapper wrote:If my memory of lusting after Jenny Hanley are correct, six magpies is for gold, not the lottery! You just looked for the wrong thing mate.
I'm pretty sure that I once saw an episode where she made a bikini out of newspaper, though it might be my imagination. However, in this instance, I choose to believe it's true.
officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
Whatever the religion is, I think it gives some structure to a household. A continuation of cultural identity and discipline to a child. Then as a person gets older they can decide for themselves. As a child I was forced to go to church, as soon as I could I stopped but eventually found my way back because i realised I didn't have to go to church to have a belief. For a start I hate the ostentatious and expensive decorative elements within the church. The constant plea for donations is an insult to the teachings of the religion. It repels me from going to church, but doesn't stop me having the faith and belief that I do.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
Without wishing to intrude and you certainly don't have to answer this, but I'm guessing from your post you are Roman Catholic?Nos89 wrote:Whatever the religion is, I think it gives some structure to a household. A continuation of cultural identity and discipline to a child. Then as a person gets older they can decide for themselves. As a child I was forced to go to church, as soon as I could I stopped but eventually found my way back because i realised I didn't have to go to church to have a belief. For a start I hate the ostentatious and expensive decorative elements within the church. The constant plea for donations is an insult to the teachings of the religion. It repels me from going to church, but doesn't stop me having the faith and belief that I do.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
Could you teach your kids that there are different religions? Each with some similarities and some differences. They then have a choice to make.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
Close...Greek Orthodox.DB10GOONER wrote:Without wishing to intrude and you certainly don't have to answer this, but I'm guessing from your post you are Roman Catholic?Nos89 wrote:Whatever the religion is, I think it gives some structure to a household. A continuation of cultural identity and discipline to a child. Then as a person gets older they can decide for themselves. As a child I was forced to go to church, as soon as I could I stopped but eventually found my way back because i realised I didn't have to go to church to have a belief. For a start I hate the ostentatious and expensive decorative elements within the church. The constant plea for donations is an insult to the teachings of the religion. It repels me from going to church, but doesn't stop me having the faith and belief that I do.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
GranadaJoe wrote:Could you teach your kids that there are different religions? Each with some similarities and some differences. They then have a choice to make.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
If we teach them that one is 'true' and that there are rewards for believing in that one and punishments for not believing it's going to be difficult for them to make a different choice.
augie wrote:GranadaJoe wrote:Could you teach your kids that there are different religions? Each with some similarities and some differences. They then have a choice to make.augie wrote:officepest wrote:Grown adults are of course free to believe in whatever they choose. The indoctrination of children, however, is despicable.
It's funny cos I'm not sure if or what I believe, and I'm certainly very much non practicing, but I do believe that kids should be brought up with some sort of religion - the way I have always looked at it, is that when my kids get old enough to make their own minds up then they can choose what they want to do, but if they don't grow up with any type of religion then how are they ever gonna be in a position to make a choice ? I mean, people seem to believe that kids shouldnt have religion in their upbringing, but if parents decide not to have religion in their household, then are they not pushing their lack of faith on their kids in the same way parents that are religious are pushing their faith on their kids ?
I think that it is one of these issues where the same arguments can be made by both sides of this debate, but of course neither side can accept that fact
If we teach them that one is 'true' and that there are rewards for believing in that one and punishments for not believing it's going to be difficult for them to make a different choice.
Yes and no - on one hand I would have no objection to them picking another religion, but at the same time I certainly would not be in a position to educate them on the different religions seeing as I barely know enough of my own I went to Christmas Day mass a few years back and was shocked to discover that the fcukers had changed all the responses to the prayers - I hadn't a fcuking clue what was going on, and my wife nearly pissed herself laughing at me
If we are being honest here, I would have to say that I would certainly oppose my children becoming muslims - I absolutely accept that the vast, vast majority of muslims are peaceful people, but any religion that has enough vagueness for some people to suggest that it advocates violence/terrorism, is an absolute no no for me. As I have said before, I would also take issue with the fact that the muslim community do not seem to condemn the acts of terrorism - not condoning the acts is not enough imo