Firstly mate, don't go down the well trodden path of implying people are AKB's (in all but word) because they don't post "Wenger is a useless cúnt and always has been" repeatedly ok? It diminishes your argument.Babu wrote:I posted this mini-novel on here 6 years ago, and had been preaching for a few years before that on another forum, so not sure how revisionist it is/was, but fair enough, you said the same at the time...DB10GOONER wrote:
"One moment when everything fitted into place"? And that moment lasted about 7 or 8 years...? And included replacing the entire back 5 that he inherited and then somehow going on to win the PL unbeaten...? Seriously? All based on that one moment of luck?
Christ I'm defending the man that has murdered my club over the last 10 years... but I just hate revisionist history...
I also said at the time that there were a couple of bits of luck involved.
The other bit of luck was Sol coming to us, which helped slightly with rebuilding the defence, and serious amounts of money were spent on assembling that Invincibles side, which fell apart after ONE defeat!
He was average, with a fair dose of luck. Now he is below average, but still seems to have luck to stay in the job.
How else can you explain why he's still here? It's certainly not his success or his charm or charisma, is it?
But it's good to hear people fighting his corner still!
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Secondly you are contradicting yourself throughout your mini novel and your current posts. One minute he's total shit but lucky and nothing else, the next he's an average manager with some luck. Which is it? For me it's somewhere inbetween. He had good seasons and he did good things in the early days. And yes he had some luck even then - as I say all successful managers rely on some luck at some point. For me his early days were a mix of being a good manager bordering on great at times and a healthy dose of luck too, no denying it. Since his insane ego took over in 2007/2008 he has had ONLY luck (and weak club ownership) to keep him in the job and coincidentally no major trophies bar the 2 FA Cups.
This is a general comment not aimed at you but all Gooners in general. All this revisionist crap that people are posting denying Wenger any credit at all for his early success is motivated by the bitter hatred many of us have for him now and is just not based in reality. If Wenger had walked away from Arsenal the day after the CL final in 06 saying "I did all I could do, it's someone else's turn now" then;
A). There would have been an uproar from every single Gooner on planet Earth begging him to stay. It might taste bad to admit that now but it is true. Look back at the posts on this forum from some of the loudest Wenger-haters here. They are posting VERY different stuff back in 06,07 and 08.
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B). He would be remembered as a legend. Again don't taste great because of the last 10 years of rank ego-driven incompetence he has shown, but still true nonetheless.
So please can we keep the ant-Wenger criticism based in fact rather than just childish bile? Because tbh, to pundits, the media and fans of other clubs some of the nonsense we are posting on social media and on here is making all Arsenal fans look like a rabble of whining fucktards that know nothing about football and that is fucking embarrassing... The reason the current protests so well planned and led led by a few off here have had more success and garnered more publicity and coverage is because they are addressing his current and recent failures over the last decade and not trying to deny or denigrate the success he had in his early years with us.
