Gunners dispatch freefalling Hammers

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Gunners dispatch freefalling Hammers


Well, what a nice change to be able to write about a decent Arsenal performance. It’s been quite a while. We’ll gloss over the first 40 minutes. That was fairly typical of the insipid Gunners we have seen plenty of recently.

There were a lot of empty seats at the start of the game. Some were the Wenger Out protest sympathisers making a stand by not taking their seats for the first 13 minutes, some were latecomers. But most damning of all were the large number of people who decided to boycott the entire game by not turning up at all. I’d guess there were at least 10,000 seats not used at any point yesterday evening, a reflection of how many have simply lost interest after so many poor displays in the last two months. Semi-Final tickets did not sell out to season ticket holders due to the number that are not motivated enough to travel to Wembley, even though tickets there are cheaper than last weekend's Arsenal home game v the same opposition.

However, when you need a result, the West Ham of 2016/17 are the perfect opposition. Despatched 5-1 at their own stadium in December, the scoreline could have been even worse for them last night, but Arsenal failed to capitalize on all the chances that came their way, as well as being denied a stonewall penalty towards the end of the game. Three good goals gave them the three points, even if there was a belief there was something fishy about the first one from Ozil due to there only being one replay on the stadium big screen from an angle which told you nothing about the validity of West Ham’s protests. Turned out that although it wasn’t offside, Walcott blocked the ball with his forearm in the build up. To use one of the manager’s stock words, overall referee Martin Atkinson had a poor game.

Good goals from Walcott and sub Giroud made things safe, and credit due to keeper Emiliano Martinez, who had a good game and pulled off some decent saves. Throughout the team, performances were generally much better. I don’t think anyone is going to get carried away by last night. The team did what they were expected to do against a side that had lost their previous four matches. And certainly, their next two fixtures, on paper, are winnable. Arsenal generally take maximum points at Selhurst Park whilst Middlesbrough look doomed. Three wins in a row will take Wenger’s side into a very interesting run of games, with the potential for the wheels to come off again and questions about the manager to re-surface.

There are some fascinating discussion points about the potential negotiations going on with Wenger about whether or not he is to continue (and it seems the decision has not yet been made), but I will save those for another day. It was just an all too rare pleasure to watch Match of the Day last night and not be alarmed by Arsenal’s defensive paucity for a change. They kept a clean sheet for the first time in the Premier League since beating Hull in early February.

As for West Ham, they look to be in freefall. We’ll have a better idea after they play Swansea at home next weekend, but there is a huge danger they could be hosting Championship games next season. I am sure they would welcome Arsenal’s problems, and it was amusing to hear the away section chant “There’s only one Arsene Wenger” during the game last night.

Of more interest to Gooners will be who plays at Palace on Monday evening. Martinez looks worth persisting with, although if Petr Cech is fit again, one imagines he will return. Central midfield is also an area where decisions need to be made. Both Elneny and Xhaka had good games last night, but until we see them face stiffer tests, we will not know how good a pairing they really are. The manager has options with Ramsey, the Ox and Coquelin also available. It seems that Xhaka will generally get the nod these days, so it’s a matter of who partners him.

I’d say after the last two matches, the front four takes care of itself. Iwobi and Giroud are out of favour for the time being and Lucas Perez, even when fit, rarely gets a chance. I haven't checked the latest on Koscielny, but I imagine he will be out for at least the next two matches, so the defence will stay the same. That presumably means Theo will continue as our captain and leader. Hmmm…

Anyway, I don't expect an announcement that Wenger has signed a new deal off the back of a home win against a poor West Ham side. And I don't think we’ll get any announcement until the season is over right now. And if it is agreed the manager is to continue, then it definitely won’t be made public until after the season ticket renewal deadline has passed (unless top four is secured and the FA Cup delivered). On the subject of renewals, I’ll end with a fantastic piece of correspondence from a club level season ticket holder to the club, who a) put the price of club level season tickets up by 3% for next season (even though the club may be playing in the Europa League) and b) brought forward the deadline for renewals this year (presumably to give them more time to shift the seats that were given up).

In view of the absence of a reply to my e mail on Sunday to the reminder from the Club and with the "deadline " hours away I need to reiterate and expand on my reasons to you.

To paraphrase Arsene Wenger's words, whether I have a contract for 2 months or 2 years I am committed to the Club and you will hear soon whether I will sign a new contract.

I admire his loyalty of over 20 years but mine has been for over 60 (I still recall witnessing live the last Busby Babes league match at Highbury) so I think I deserve some loyalty from the Club.

The Board set a deadline for me to commit but the Manager does not have one. Bizarre is one word for it.

So I am being asked to pay the Club thousands of pounds and more than last year when there is more than usual uncertainty as to whether the Manager or star player(s) will be there or whether I will have the same quality of big matches.

In previous years I have had extensions so I would expect to receive the same in this extraordinary current climate. Alternatively as I said I can make an offer to reflect the risk and gamble I am taking .

I await your prompt reply.

So it’s one rule for the manager and another one for the club level regulars. Who are being asked to pay more for next season before it is even certain they will be seeing a similar level of competition in Europe. To think, our football club once embodied class…

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  1. mbg

    Apr 07, 2017, 23:51 #100361

    KC38, and that's exactly what has been going on and happening for years now, when fans like myself and others have been on here saying it and telling it like it is the fools have been papering over the cracks. The parasite out now.

  2. Yes its Ron

    Apr 07, 2017, 16:44 #100356

    EG and Bard - agree with both you lads. Its been total identity theft by this regime or looked at another way, a willing surrender of the Clubs identity as a reaction to footballs cash bubble opportunity. Football has become secondary to everything else at Arsenal. Constant top 4 has allowed them to become complacent. They never thought it would end as lets face it, its not a brilliant league in terms of its quality and Arsenal in the normal scheme of things, however badly ran should be able to get top 4. The whole edifice has been propped up on spin and us fans fell for it for years. The Club and Wenger are knocked sideways now as theyve realised the fans are onto them at long last. The fans (customers) have to act as consumers of a retail Co, if the products outdated and bland, dont buy it. M and S took their custom for granted, realised it 7 yrs ago that they were yrs late in acknowledging it and still theyre in a trough of their own making that they cant climb out of. This is Arsenals destiny and we can all see it unfolding now. Theyre getting what they deserve, the cold shoulder but not near enough by sufficient numbers.

  3. Bard

    Apr 07, 2017, 14:33 #100355

    Ron; I dont disagree but these things go in cycles. Eventually the bubble will burst because the essence of sport at the highest level is that it has to be about the ferocity of competition. Watch the All Blacks rugby team if you want a good example. The Club are currently the antithesis of this. The club spout a lot of hot air about competing and mental strength but no one who knows anything about football believes that. Its a charade, a PLC dressed up as a football club. But its not sustainable in the long run.

  4. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 07, 2017, 12:36 #100348

    Totally in agreement with Ron on Highbury. Should've been developed as far as possible within the physical limitations. Art deco stands were not 'old' but timeless. Club's identity has been stripped away and the Em*rates name is an insult and it's an ugly monstrosity. The stadium move was not about the future and progress but simply making more money and Wenger's ego - he knew it would be seen as 'his' stadium by the gullible, and so it's proved.

  5. Yes its Ron

    Apr 07, 2017, 11:09 #100344

    KC38 - Nobodys rooted in the past. Change was needed and Highbury could have been developed to a 50000 seat stadium as proven by the plans that were there and submitted as an option. They chose to move obviously but it doesnt mean they got it right with 'the Emirates' - what a daft name ffs!. It smacks of the new Arsenal. Other Clubs have learned from Arsenals folly in designing that place. Its far too open, its arguably too big for the Club and its design gave no heed to the existing support at Highbury and where and how the fans were sited there. Its a stadium thats ok for a warm climate Country hence the design was filched from The Stadium of Light, Benficas ground. As it is the acoustics of that stadium are all wrong. Anybody thats ever been will say that and do. I know that Aston Villas fans call it 'the Church'on the basis that theres no atmosphere and theyre right, there isnt. No point denying it. In fairness, there isnt an atmospheric ground in London. Upton Park wasnt bad. WHL is good for the right match, but thats about it. The design of Spurs new place looks like theyre trying to keep it as compact as they can so to trap in the atmosphere, though im betting Spurs will become Spurs PLC just as ASL have done. Give it a few years and you ll hear them moaning that Spurs as a Club has 'disappeared'.The nature of the beast isnt it, plus its in London.

  6. Alsace

    Apr 07, 2017, 11:09 #100343

    Gaz. You must absolutely not allow this piece of detritus destroy your love for the club. There are sufficient of us to effect the change and I will tell you why. Whilst the sheep will eat what they are given, and the Wenger lovers yearn for more of the same, we who detest him and all his works, are motivated and passionate. We are also in the right. In any fight against something wrong there are faint hearts and traitors and those who will accept oppression. Stay on track and force the rubbish out. We will win, but we must simply be prepared to keep on fighting til its done.

  7. Gaz

    Apr 07, 2017, 10:50 #100342

    I don't know lads. Perhaps us old timers just have to accept the Club we all fell in love with has simply gone now and won't ever return. New stadium, new badge, distant owners, a long past it manager that won't budge and some of the wankiest supporters (see this thread for starters!) you'd ever wish NOT to meet. My interest has been waning for a while now and this summer was perhaps the last chance saloon for me before I lose all interest. If Wenger is to stay-and I think we all know he will-I think that'll be it for me. Even if we start next season real well and perhaps even make a real fist of fighting for the title the damage caused to me over these past few years means I still won't enjoy it. Sad to say this and it's leaving a huge ****ing gap in my life but there you have it. Shame really because if Wenger left and we get the right man in to replace him this summer I'd be right up for it again. As it is there's a huge gap in my life so I guess I'll be playing a lot more golf from now on!!!

  8. Bard

    Apr 07, 2017, 9:45 #100341

    KC38 agree mate. As a club we have been in a kind of stasis for over a decade and at long last many Arsenal fans have woken up. A club devoid of ambition or quality. A club that has scant regard for its fans. We know Wenger is incapable of change so I see a fractious and unpleasant ending to his time. There is clearly stuff going on behind the scenes which I hope Kev will highlight soon.

  9. KC38

    Apr 07, 2017, 9:15 #100340

    Moscow, agree always room for improvement. Don't think the Emirates ever looks as blatant as Wembley for empty seats corporate wise. Bard agree re WH result nothing changes only a fool could use that result to paper over the obvious flaws in the squad and set up. The protests are certainly highlighted by the vast empty seats, again the press seem it ignore this, they love a cheap sound bite but are gutless in press conferences when so many difficult questions could be asked but so few are.

  10. Leek fc

    Apr 07, 2017, 8:17 #100339

    FACTS bard FACTS !!

  11. Bard

    Apr 07, 2017, 8:09 #100338

    The WH game changes nothing. We have some big games coming up and I dont expect things to improve on or off the field. I also dont think the protest being called off matters either. The empty seats and atmosphere says it all. Wenger is a dead man walking whether he signs or not, there is no possibility of a resurrection just a quick or slow death. Looking forward to your next article Kev. You hinted that you have some info. Markym dont lower yourself by responding to Leekey. He is just winding people up with silly posts, reminds me of Jamerson

  12. Roy

    Apr 06, 2017, 23:33 #100337

    Well you're right there Kev. THE Arsenal. Once THE embodiment of class. Now reduced to a laughing stock due to greed and gross mismanagement both on and off the field. If losing games is what it takes to force change ( and change is what the club so desperately needs ), then I'm all for it. It may not be apparent even for a while yet just how much harm Wengers autonomy has harmed the club, and the reason that the season ticket allocation for the semi didn't sell out is because so many have lost faith in his ability to win the big games as his abysmal record is there for all to see. Posters such as Leek bury their head in the sand, but we should all be very worried indeed. It doesn't matter how many do or don't attend the visual protests, the fact is that a very large number are doing it by voting with their feet. I'm with Ron in that I don't think things will markedly improve at first once Wenger does go, and the club has nobody to blame for that but themselves. I haven't attended since 2013 and will not do so again until at least one of Wenger or Kroenke are gone - it's a point of principle. In other words " f**k 'em ". Wenger and his cohorts out now.

  13. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 21:30 #100336

    Nugssy, if he dies, that would certainly solve a big problem mate, but don't do what you said that's just what the leeks, AKB wengerites, wenger apologists of the club would love, and indeed hoping for, No stay and keep fighting, voicing your opinion, when ever the chance arises at every opportunity wherever it may be, especially on here, never give up until this old past I't has been waste of fresh air excuse for a manager has pissed off. wenger out now.

  14. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 21:05 #100335

    mad max, good post, I would say Every win (or draw) now, under this past his sell by date old parasite of a manager is a negative night for the future of the club. We want wenger out.

  15. Nugssy

    Apr 06, 2017, 20:57 #100334

    Does

  16. Nugssy

    Apr 06, 2017, 20:45 #100333

    As stated Above by gaz and eg winning games does more damage to this club then good for obvious reasons! I hope and pray the senile old twat doesn't get his contract but if he dies ill be giving football a miss for a couple of years and leave leek and the other jcl's to celebrate maybe challenging for the top 4 trophy for the next couple of years!

  17. CORNISH GOONER

    Apr 06, 2017, 19:43 #100332

    There's me thinking that Webster's Arse are both predictable, boring & way off being a major presence in top football - & then the old rascal shows he isn't done yet! WALLY AS CAPTAIN! What a masterstroke & I for one can't wait to see him shoving referees, collecting red cards, badmouthing shirkers like Alexis, chucking water bottles around & conducting heavily "bleeped" post match interviews. Smirky days are here again aren't they Leekmeister?

  18. markymark

    Apr 06, 2017, 19:25 #100331

    Leek you are odd, very odd, if you saw my little joke about you in the previous thread it has symbolism. Basically the "Goat" is Wenger. You ride the Goat as an obsession despite the pain and isolation it must cause. The events of your past and any good you achieved prior to your Wengerphile love are forgotten. You will simply be known as the Wenger ****er, or for those less crude the Wenger obsessive. Meanwhile Wenger will continue to underperform . He will suffer painful embarrassments each season . The press will seek to destroy him. Does it not occur to you that every yearly collapse increases the hostility . It does not diminish but increases. Point to those who you have converted to your view, (do you have a coherent view) there used to be loads of your type on this forum. Now it's just you. On Untold it used to be a sea of hostility to anti Wenger views. Now Tony 'Goebels' Attwood is outnumbered. Your leader is your Goat, keep ****ing away it's all you have left.

  19. Moscowgooner

    Apr 06, 2017, 19:19 #100330

    KC38 - agree with you that (sadly) Highbury had to go - and we are not going to tear down the Emirates to build a new stadium, but I think there are many things that could be improved. Over time the removal of the club level - as at Wembley, it´s often empty during games and it breaks up the noise - filling in the gaping gaps at the back of the stands, lowering the pitch to bring the fans closer. Most of all - and of course Arsenal can´ty act in isolation here - the introduction of standing behind the goals. There´s a decent football ground in there somewhere trying to break out...

  20. KC38

    Apr 06, 2017, 18:44 #100329

    Gas very much with you although it's really difficult to want a loss but do get the fact that every loss will make it tougher for him to stay. We have tough games to come so I don't see a happy ending result wise. Where I disagree with other posters is the stadium, it's a top stadium and all neutrals I know are super impressed. The upper tier is full of genuine supporters that have been going for years. The Wenger football and continued lack of ambition creates the atmosphere as proven by games against Barca and the spuds when the place has been rockin. A new manager, a new desire a new owner even and a new belief would greatly enhance the atmosphere. Highbury had to go it was old, small and not fit for a club our size, life moves on, you can't stick with the past and dwell on the great times while erasing the bad ones, its "classic in my day bull sh1t"

  21. Leek fc

    Apr 06, 2017, 18:11 #100328

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear. The press picking up on the lack of effort and attendees for the demo last night. One man and his dog turned out. £4000 in the bank and you lot can't muster a sustained effort. Very poor fellas. As I stated, I wandered past to have a laugh, ooops, sorry, look and it was like Spurs trophy cabinet. Where now boys???? If it's all over, I hope the money goes to a good cause. How about an Ozil must stay banner?? I'm sure jumpers will tell you lot that 2000 turned up. Top 4, here we come.

  22. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 06, 2017, 17:11 #100327

    GR - it's those fuzzy shades of grey that Wenger will exploit. Club needs en masse turning back on regime (stop going and/or protest) and lots of defeats to stand any chance of change all of us who are sane can see is needed. It's not nice, but there it is.

  23. mad max

    Apr 06, 2017, 16:10 #100326

    i think the post from gaz just about sums it all up, although we won last night it was a negative night for the future of the club the protest was called off, I think a lot of the protesters are old school gooners like myself who have been priced out or feel betrayed by the club. the lack of atmosphere is a result of the johnny come lately types who have arrived on the scene, and the tourists taking photo,s of the other side,s players?. I actually hate the stadium, its just a corporate bowl, the spuds have got a single tier behind one goal in their new stadium which will attract real football supporters. I really miss the days on the clock end outsinging the away fans, sadly those days are long gone, I no longer recognise the the club I grew with. I wrote to gazidis a few years back never even got a reply. that man is just as bad as wenger the lies that come out their mouths is astounding. also I don't understand why usmanov does,nt try to buy out kroenke he,s twice as rich as abramovic. it looks like we,ve got 2 more years of tlsoe so I just give up. there used to be a football club in n.5

  24. Yes its Ron

    Apr 06, 2017, 15:52 #100325

    GR - In all fairness i think most are as you are with it all. The AFC situ is quite unique in that the Clubs not in freefall and looking like its going to crumble as happens with most Clubs where the demos start. Eg - Liverpool cd have gone under had those Hicks and Gillet muppets not been forced out. Utds owners would have been like SK had the Utd fans not got at them and the new Non League footie Club FC Utd not have started as a demo Club.ASL situ is born just from 13 years of monotony and obvious non progress on the pitch plus a disregard for the pans paying silly prices for football match attendance. Wenger is just the head on a plate really. Reality is, once hes gone, nothing much there will change. In many ways, such as yr goodself in being able to sort of enjoy what you have is laudable. To many though, its all a con job handed down by a cold Club who we thought knew better and were above such antics. Ive said many times that the fans should either like it or get away from it. ASL doesnt need to change while it makes money like it does and why should it? The fans can stimy it, but only by turning their backs on it.

  25. GoonerRon

    Apr 06, 2017, 15:30 #100324

    @ Exeter - I think it is possible to be conflicted. I genuinely believe that the club needs freshening with a new manager in the summer, but I don't feel so utterly vociferous about it that I want to join protest marches. At the same time, I also genuinely could never, ever want Arsenal to lose. I still enjoy it when we play well and win and get pissed off when we don't. Just because some have reached the stage of ultra HD black and white, it doesn't mean it's impossible for some to still see fuzzy shades of grey.

  26. Yes its Ron

    Apr 06, 2017, 15:26 #100323

    MG - ASL would have a stadium full of Club level seats if they thought it was plausible. All 60000. To be honest, in London and esp with the new type Arsl fans the thought that that day might yet come is far from being fanciful. So many of the ordinary football fans have gone now and more are following. The prices keep rising. It could yet happen. Ive no issue withe Corporate boxes. All Clubs need them and the fantastic revenue they bring in. A good many up there in the boxes wouldnt be there if not for the boxes, same as other stadia. Those Club Levels though are for 'corporate lite' types. The never will be or have never made it and never will 'aspirers' if you like. That band of 9000 odd seats has been put there brazenly at the exclusion of proper football fans. There are some who just bought them for something better for themselves of course who do love the game, but they truly are a tiny minority in those seats.Best views in that stadium by far. Nothing gets close to it. I can tell you with certainty that ive had times in those seats and sat by Chelsea and Spurs fans who are there hoping for a home defeat. Given the seats for busniess favours rendered or just by Asl following friends who own a few of them. Its a f----g disgrace.

  27. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 14:59 #100322

    Don't quote me on this but apparently there are now levels within Club Level where club level members can't access and not allowed into, super club level if you like, special seating looking out, bars and restaurants along the line of Diamond club, one of them is the managers club or something like that etc, etc, apparently you need another card to access these areas as well as your ordinary club level card from what I've been told and hear, and of course this second card can be obtained easily enough, for an extra grand or more on top of your club level price, what extras or special benefits these special clubs give you is anyone's guess. wenger out now.

  28. GSPM

    Apr 06, 2017, 14:44 #100321

    3pts, happy for fans & players. no change at Emirates Towers, the place is a mess from top to bottom . Lets Enjoy Alexis while we have him. In Wenger We Rust - The end .

  29. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 14:31 #100320

    Gaz, Exeter, good posts, yes we/they can't have it both ways, as I've said before and i'll say it again do we want wenger out or not.

  30. The Man From UNCLE

    Apr 06, 2017, 14:18 #100319

    What a great performance and win last night. The race is on for that coveted 4th place trophy. Now where did I put me medication. On a serious note, now we can't take our kids out of school during term time or risk getting fined for it, whilst teachers keep telling us how overworked and stressed out they are. Someone's not telling the truth and it isn't us.

  31. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 14:09 #100318

    A decent Arsenal Performance, but as usual remember who they were playing, a freefalling hammers just the kind of teams wengers dwarfs love to bully and tickle to death, my God even the carthorse scored, that says it all. Any resignation yet ? We want wenger out.

  32. Moscowgooner

    Apr 06, 2017, 13:54 #100317

    Can someone tell me the actual point of club level and the corporate boxes - other than to kill the atmosphere? Wenger has already told us that with the new TV deals for the Premiership, UCL qualification no longer matters that much financially. Basically the club could rip out the ´belt´ that runs around the middle of the tiers, put in normal seats and still afford to cut ticket prices by 30%. It would be at least a step in the right direction in terms of ´decorporatising´the bowl.

  33. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Apr 06, 2017, 13:51 #100316

    Like Gaz, Exeter and Tony have said, I want us to lose every game and force the cancer of Wenger and kroenke out of our club. My heart sank when I saw that we had taken the lead. No enjoyment for me when we win anymore until a new manager is in place. Any win now just potentially strengthens the hand of le fraud and can't be good news for our sporting prospects. As for wally as captain...makes me wretch

  34. RobG

    Apr 06, 2017, 13:15 #100315

    Feel for that Club Level Ticket holder, I really do. I was CL until 2010. I just couldn't take it any more. Now I could not really afford it, even if I wanted to go. And I don't - any more.

  35. Yes its Ron

    Apr 06, 2017, 13:10 #100314

    Arsl have rinsed those Club Level ST holders since the start. A high propertion up there arent bothered. Sit there on lap tops, meetings in the bars and when theyre in the seats or reading their novels on sunny days. Others attend with their wives and daughters who each sit there looking around to see whos looking at them as they imagine theyre wildly attractive movie stars or whatever, others are reading the FT and look over their glasses occasionally, some times even query the name of the scorer too. Others are up and down out of their seats to go to the loos every 15 mins to empty their bladders and bloated bowels after eating and drinking too much of the s--t food and 'beers'. This disturbs the odd pilgrim up there who may actually have a passing interest in football. Many others never actually get from the bar areas to their seats. Many of those people up there had never been to Highbury and wouldnt know Ina Wright or Johnny Radford if they came and sat on their laps. They own 3 and more seats and many of them are hardly ever taken. People wonder why that stadium is like a funeral parlour. Well, theres over 9000 up there in the CL tier. many of the same types of fan are up above them in the higher reaches of the top tiers too. Red Action, AISA and Co can seek to 'improve atmosphere'as much as they like, but its not going to happen any time soon. Tippy tappy shoulders some of the blame of course, but by no means all of it. Its a good job the away fans visit, because the place would be nigh on silent if they didnt. Awful stadium.

  36. TonyEvans

    Apr 06, 2017, 13:01 #100313

    Can only repeat what Gaz has said. Have never been so disinterested and just want Wenger out.

  37. mbg

    Apr 06, 2017, 12:46 #100312

    And you can be sure the hammers will not hang about and suffer fools. wenger out.

  38. Gaz

    Apr 06, 2017, 12:35 #100311

    Yeah I think you're right EG. Sadly.

  39. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 06, 2017, 12:05 #100310

    Gaz - cos there's no argument left for him to stay, I think a lot of Wenger fans have become disingenuous, saying "Yes his time is up but I'm against the protests and still want us to win every match, show him respect". Of course they want him to stay, but can't admit to putting the man above the club, so resort to spouting this b*llocks.

  40. Gaz

    Apr 06, 2017, 11:54 #100309

    Hi EG. I can't believe it when fa s say (and I saw this the other day) that they 100% want Wenger out but 100% want us to win every game! How on earth does that work when we all know it's defeats and lots of them that'll bring him finally down. Guess it makes them feel better saying it but the reality is it's a big stinking pile of crap.

  41. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 06, 2017, 11:35 #100308

    I'm with Gaz - I hope we lose every game these days and was disappointed and annoyed by last night. Wenger's future is the only issue that matters at AFC now and winning strengthens his position whilst losing weakens it. I suspect Kevin feels the same but can't state that outright in his position as Editor of OG.

  42. Alsace

    Apr 06, 2017, 11:32 #100307

    We have to expect I suppose that teams will turn up at our place that are so terrible that we can actually beat them. West Ham played well in the first half, but didn't have much to counter quite honestly. Once they scored a goal our glorious band of heroes were auditioning for the next production of "Showboat". I finally realised last night that in the same way that British people will eat any old appalling food that is served up to them, the same is true of Arsenal supporters and the footballing fare which is served at Highbury. It needs to get so much better than this, and there is no way that it can under the present regime. It has been a painfully slow process (over a decade) to be able to raise consciousness of this fundamental fact to this present level. We have to keep going but overcoming the mental sloth which confronts us sometimes seems like a labour of Sisyphus. If it is true that some on the board have realised this but don't have the backing of the owner, then their tactical position is very interesting. They can obviously be replaced by Stan but I hope that they won't go quietly. They can always join the protest marches I suppose, or give their own press conference with any of the players who might have the guts to publicly denounce the manager. I can think of one who might. At least Wenger wouldn't be able to say that they had not worked one day in Football.

  43. Gaz

    Apr 06, 2017, 11:23 #100306

    In all honesty Kev I admire the way you can take any enjoyment out of watching games right now. I haven't seen the goals nor did I have any desire to see them on MOTD. In all honesty I'd rather we lost to keep up the pressure but I guess a win was due sooner or later. Quite frankly I have zero interest in a Wenger led Arsenal and if he stays beyond this season my love affair with the Club will be over for now. Hopefully one day I can enjoy following the Club again but until that time I'll just keep on going down memory lane to a time and place where football was the most important part of the Club and we had a manager with far less powe and board who actually had the Clubs best interests at heart rather than their own fat pockets.

  44. Rippy

    Apr 06, 2017, 11:17 #100305

    Kroenke doesn't understand the meaning of the word class. He is the worst thing to happen to our club. To many sporting clubs actually. He doesn't care about anything else but money. In many ways he is a poor man. Soulless without fun and a moral compass. One day he will be gone though. Nothing lasts forever. Putting the prices up and bringing the date for renewal forward just means the board themselves know there's a real chance empty seats will become the norm. And that's actually a good thing. Arsenal plc are about to get a nasty shock. Just like in the 70s 80s And after graham was sacked . Attendances fall off a cliff at arsenal. We are a bunch of fans who vote with our feet. Not protests and crazy stunts. When we are really pissed we basically tell the board to shove it By not turning up. Kroenke won't understand this . Watch this space. Most of my friends who are season ticket holders aren't renewing because europa league is pants. Plus Thursday night football . Shove it !